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An NBA Draft Rating System for NBA Franchises


The Spurs found these two gems (Tony Parker, left, and George Hill, right) in the late first round. (Icon SMI)
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By Ryan Feldman
rfeldman@thehoopsreport.com

Thursday, April 14, 2011

In the NBA, the difference between drafting the next LeBron James or the next Kwame Brown could be the difference between winning an NBA Championship and never reaching the playoffs.

It's a fine line. There are only two rounds in the NBA Draft. Every pick is coveted more than in any other sport. General Managers can't afford to make a mistake with a lottery pick.

On the other end of the spectrum, finding a gem in the second round is invaluable. Drafting the best player with the No. 1 pick? That's relatively easy. But finding a future All-Star in the second round? That's impressive.

There are different ways to build an NBA franchise. One way is through trades. Another way is through free agency. Another way is by building around one superstar.

But the simplest way to build an NBA franchise is through the NBA Draft. Find some young talent, take advantage of each and every pick, develop that talent, and build a talented, young roster in a few years.

It's been done. Look at the Oklahoma City Thunder. Since 2007, they've drafted Russell Westbrook, Serge Ibaka, Kevin Durant, James Harden and Jeff Green (who was recently traded to the Celtics), which very much make up the core of the Thunder, a team that just won the Northwest Division.

Before 2007, prior to GM Sam Presti's arrival, the Thunder, formerly known as the Seattle SuperSonics, drafted bust after bust with Mouhamed Sene, Johan Petro and Robert Swift in back-to-back-to-back years. And that's why the SuperSonics struggled prior to Presti's hiring as the General Manager.

The San Antonio Spurs, the team Presti worked for before the Thunder, have maximized their value in the draft over the years. They drafted George Hill and Tony Parker in the late first round, and Luis Scola in the late second round. They drafted Tiago Splitter and Beno Udrih in the late first round, and DeJuan Blair in the second round. They've only made one bad first round pick - Ian Mahinmi - in the last 10 years.

That's why the Spurs have been one of the most successful NBA franchises of this era.

I studied and analyzed every team's draft picks over the last 10 years (since 2001). I put together a rating system that takes into account which draft pick each player was selected with. For example, Andrew Bogut is a good player but he isn't one of the best No. 1 picks over the last 10 years. Nicolas Batum isn't a great player but he was a great draft pick in the late first round.

Every first round pick was rated as a positive or negative pick, and to certain degrees of positivity or negativity. Second round picks were only rated positively. Teams weren't penalized for bad second round picks.

First round picks have guaranteed contracts and are much more important than second round picks. Finding a useful player in the second round is very valuable. It's worth it to take a risk on a player in the second round. But with a lottery pick, it really hurts if that player doesn't pan out.

Also, 2010 draft picks weren't rated because it's too early to judge those players. Players from the 2009 draft were only rated positively. It's too early to call a second-year player a bust.

The rating system gives extra weight to draft picks in the last five years as compared to the picks in the previous five years. It takes into account the average rating of draft picks as well as the total accumulated rating of the picks, in order to not give an advantage to a team that had a lot of draft picks over the last 10 years over a team that did not have a lot of picks. Teams were judged on players they either drafted or acquired on draft night.

Here are the results:

The Spurs are the best drafting team in the NBA. As mentioned above, they've only made one bad pick in the last 10 years, and they've found some serious gems. And it's not like the Spurs have ever had a high draft pick in the last decade.

Believe it or not, the second and third most successful drafting teams over the last 10 years are the Sacramento Kings and Cleveland Cavaliers, respectively.

In the last few years, the Kings made a few solid picks in Omri Casspi, Spencer Hawes and Jason Thompson, plus a great pick in Tyreke Evans. Earlier than that, they made two great picks in Kevin Martin and Gerald Wallace.

The Cavs haven't made any bad picks since drafting Luke Jackson in 2004. Maybe, that's why they were consistently one of the top teams in the NBA. Also, LeBron James had something to do with that. But he wasn't their only great pick. J.J. Hickson and Carlos Boozer were both wise selections. Shannon Brown, Daniel Gibson, Anderson Varejao and Jason Kapono all turned out to be solid value picks.

Next up are the two top teams in the Eastern Conference this year: the Miami Heat and the Chicago Bulls.

The Heat have only made one bad pick in the last 10 years: Wayne Simien in 2005. Other than him, they've drafted Dwyane Wade, Michael Beasley, Mario Chalmers, Daequan Cook, Dorrell Wright, Caron Butler and Rasual Butler, all solid selections.

The Bulls built the rebirth of their franchise around their two best draft picks over the last decade: Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah. Taj Gibson, Ben Gordon, Luol Deng, Chris Duhon, Kirk Hinrich and Tyson Chandler all turned out to be worthy of where they were drafted. Eddy Curry and Jay Williams didn't turn out so well, but they haven't had any terrible picks since 2002, so it's no coincidence the franchise has been on the rise since then.

The next five teams, in order, are the Los Angeles Clippers, Memphis Grizzlies, Oklahoma City Thunder, Boston Celtics and Houston Rockets.

The Clippers have been ridiculed for the way they've drafted in the past. And from 2001-2005, they were pretty bad in terms of the draft. But since then, they've been great. They took Eric Gordon and Blake Griffin in 2008 and 2009. They also found DeAndre Jordan and Al Thornton. Their recent success in the draft made up for the disappointments that were Yaroslav Korolev, Melvin Ely and Shaun Livingston.

The success of the Celtics in the draft may be the primary reason they were able to win the NBA Championship and become an elite team once again. They found a gem in Rajon Rondo as their franchise point guard. They drafted Al Jefferson, who was traded for Kevin Garnett. They also drafted Kendrick Perkins and Joe Johnson, along with role players Glen Davis, Leon Powe, Delonte West and Tony Allen. Of course nobody has forgotten about Joe Forte, Kedrick Brown, Marcus Banks and Gerald Green, but the Celtics have only made one bad pick - J.R. Giddens - since 2005.

The worst drafting team of the last 10 years is the New Jersey Nets, so it's no coincidence that the Nets are now struggling. They've been responsible for such names as Sean Williams, Marcus Williams, Josh Boone, Antoine Wright, Zoran Planinic and Brandon Armstrong.

Right next to the Nets are the Orlando Magic. The Magic did draft Dwight Howard, and built their franchise around Howard, but Orlando has been less than impressive in the draft. In the last decade, the Magic have drafted Fran Vasquez, Reece Gaines, Ryan Humphrey, Steven Hunter and Jerryl Sasser.

Maybe surprisingly, the Utah Jazz and Portland Trail Blazers are among the five worst drafting teams in the league.

The Jazz found Deron Williams, Paul Millsap, Mo Williams and C.J. Miles, but they also found Kosta Koufos, Morris Almond, Kirk Snyder, Curtis Borchardt and Raul Lopez.

The Blazers made eight solid picks in the last 10 years, which isn't bad at all. But they've also had 18 total draft picks in the last 10 years, the most in the NBA over that time. Brandon Roy, Zach Randolph, Rudy Fernandez, Josh McRoberts, LaMarcus Aldridge, Jarrett Jack, Travis Outlaw and Batum were cancelled out by the likes of Greg Oden, Petteri Kopponen, Sergio Rodriguez, Joel Freeland, Viktor Khryapa, Sergei Monia and Qyntel Woods.

In just the last five years, the rankings slightly differ. The Clippers, Spurs and Cavs, in that order, come out at the top of the list, while the Hornets rank at the bottom of the list.

The only two teams to not make a truly great draft pick over the last 10 years are the Philadelphia 76ers and the Dallas Mavericks. Every single NBA team has drafted at least one complete bust in the last 10 years.

The NBA Draft might not mean everything. The Lakers, Jazz, Magic, Blazers, Hornets, Mavericks, Hawks and Knicks are among the 10 worst drafting teams in the NBA over the last 10 years and those teams make up half of this year's playoff field.

But the NBA Draft certainly is a way to build a franchise and maintain success over a long period of time. Just ask the Spurs.

Two of the top four drafting teams have combined for four of the last eight NBA Championships. The top 11 drafting teams have combined for six of the last eight NBA Championships.

Here are the complete rankings in order with their rating in parentheses:

1. San Antonio Spurs (22.86)
2. Sacramento Kings (15.8)
3. Cleveland Cavaliers (15.2)
4. Miami Heat (14.25)
5. Chicago Bulls (13)
6. Los Angeles Clippers (12.67)
7. Memphis Grizzlies (10.5)
8. Oklahoma City Thunder (9.58)
9. Boston Celtics (8.4)
10. Houston Rockets (7)
11. Detroit Pistons (5)
12. Denver Nuggets (4)
13. Milwaukee Bucks (3)
14. Washington Wizards (0.67)
15. Toronto Raptors (-1.67)
16. Indiana Pacers (-4.75)
17. Golden State Warriors (-4.8)
18. Minnesota Timberwolves (-6)
19. Phoenix Suns (-6.29)
20. Philadelphia 76ers (-6.73)
21. New York Knicks (-6.82)
22. Atlanta Hawks (-8.75)
23. Dallas Mavericks (-9.8)
24. New Orleans Hornets (-9.87)
25. Los Angeles Lakers (-10.25)
26. Charlotte Bobcats (-11.47)
27. Portland Trail Blazers (-16.87)
28. Utah Jazz (-17)
29. Orlando Magic (-17.5)
30. New Jersey Nets (-21)

YIKES, This does not give me a warm fuzzy for O’Conner rebuilding our team through the draft.
 
Jazz pick "Jazz-type" players in the second round (this year being a rare exception)

First round all the pressure is going with the BPA - which is why Jazz usually end up with players they don't know what to do with after a year or two.
 
"Yikes" indeed! This outlook is very grim for Jazz fans...

I guess, the only positive you can take from this is that KOC has gotten somewhat better in the last 2 years by picking very good on 4 out of the last 5 picks we've gotten in the draft (or undrafted) ... the only miss being Goran Suton. Maynor, Wes Mathews (undrafted but still counts as a plus on KOC's "drafting" resume in my opinion - but also counts as a GIGANTIC MINUS on his "contract signing skills" by not giving Wes a cheap 2-3 year rookie contract mid-season last year when he had the chance to lock him up!), Hayward, Jeremy Evans, and then I guess you can count in Favors as a guy we're building from in this last years draft, just not as a KOC pick, obviously. (Although, he's said in interviews at least that he was trying his hardest to move up and get Favors and had him #1 on his board.)

Overall, I'm luke warm on our chances to build through the draft with KOC, I can see some positives he's done, as well as glaring negatives.... but, I guess, we'll find out soon enough how good/bad he can be with these next two lotto picks that could literally make or break this franchise for the next 5 years at least.
 
I would be worried if Sacramento, The Clippers, and Cavaliers were not in the top ten of his rating system. How have their picks made them better teams?
 
GIGANTIC MINUS on his "contract signing skills" by not giving Wes a cheap 2-3 year rookie contract mid-season last year when he had the chance to lock him up!
You can't lock someone up by changing their contract mid-season. The only minus here is in the 2009 offseason when they signed Matthews. That was the only opportunity to sign him to a longer contract (but before anyone had any idea how good he might be).

Once he signed that deal, the only way to renegotiate with him in the middle of the season was to waive him and try to sign him using an exception, but he would have been a free agent and could have signed with anyone.
 
GIGANTIC MINUS on his "contract signing skills" by not giving Wes a cheap 2-3 year rookie contract mid-season last year when he had the chance to lock him up!

It should have initially been 3 years with a 2 year team option. That should be standard stuff for undrafted rookies without an ounce of bargaining power.
 
You can't lock someone up by changing their contract mid-season. The only minus here is in the 2009 offseason when they signed Matthews. That was the only opportunity to sign him to a longer contract (but before anyone had any idea how good he might be).

Once he signed that deal, the only way to renegotiate with him in the middle of the season was to waive him and try to sign him using an exception, but he would have been a free agent and could have signed with anyone.

Well, then that's what KOC should have done. If you talk to the guy up front and let them know your plans and tell them they're a part of the future and tell them you're showing them you mean it with your money, only a truly colossal douche-bag of a person would turn down that loyalty from his team and sign with another team (ahem, *cough* Boozer). Plus, it wasn't until later in the 09 season and the playoffs that Wes exploded on the national scene. Mid-season he was still seeming like a player that might be worth something, but was just a hard-working kid with a chip on his shoulder, no one would have thrown bigger than a 1st round rookie contract at him.

KOC could have locked Wes up mid-season and should have.
 
This guy pulls some system out of thin air for rating draft picks and doesn't even explain how points are awarded, then people read it and take it and give it merit even though some of the worst teams in the league are rated near the top? It looks like a whack rating system to me.
 
Well, then that's what KOC should have done. If you talk to the guy up front and let them know your plans and tell them they're a part of the future and tell them you're showing them you mean it with your money, only a truly colossal douche-bag of a person would turn down that loyalty from his team and sign with another team (ahem, *cough* Boozer). Plus, it wasn't until later in the 09 season and the playoffs that Wes exploded on the national scene. Mid-season he was still seeming like a player that might be worth something, but was just a hard-working kid with a chip on his shoulder, no one would have thrown bigger than a 1st round rookie contract at him.

KOC could have locked Wes up mid-season and should have.
Hindsight is 20/20. Please point me to the post where you suggested this strategy when it would have been a relevant option.
 
I wonder how much say Sloan in who the jazz drafted .

Exactly. I wonder if the Jazz are done with choosing players that fit into the system, as opposed to the other way around. DIdnt you all find it interesting when Sloan or KOC would comment on not having athletic players on the Jazz...
 
Exactly. I wonder if the Jazz are done with choosing players that fit into the system, as opposed to the other way around. DIdnt you all find it interesting when Sloan or KOC would comment on not having athletic players on the Jazz...
Great point. Sloan was not a very big fan of athleticism. Now that he's gone I wonder if we'll see a change in draft philosophy.
 
I would be worried if Sacramento, The Clippers, and Cavaliers were not in the top ten of his rating system. How have their picks made them better teams?

The Clippers is an easy one as everyone knows their owner has not in the past ponied up the money to sign there draft choices to new contracts after their initial contracts are over. The Cavaliers lost LeBron and their starting center to Miami, that would effect any team. Think Jazz if D'Will left without us getting anything back for him. Don't know enough about Sacramento except the brothers that own the team seem to be jerks, there has been talk of moving the team for several years and they would have won a championship if the refs would not have cheated for the Lakers back around 2002.
 
Hindsight is 20/20. Please point me to the post where you suggested this strategy when it would have been a relevant option.

I actually talked to Reggie Miller before the Cavs v. Yata game and used the phrase, "KOC and Jerry Sloan should sign this guy for the rest of his career, he has proven his worth." while pointing at Wes. He then used that and tweaked it a bit after Gaines hit that shot.
 
I actually talked to Reggie Miller before the Cavs v. Yata game and used the phrase, "KOC and Jerry Sloan should sign this guy for the rest of his career, he has proven his worth." while pointing at Wes. He then used that and tweaked it a bit after Gaines hit that shot.
In that case, rep given. I wish KOC would have listened to you. On a side note, what put you in position to talk to RM? That's cool.
 
Well, then that's what KOC should have done. If you talk to the guy up front and let them know your plans and tell them they're a part of the future and tell them you're showing them you mean it with your money, only a truly colossal douche-bag of a person would turn down that loyalty from his team and sign with another team (ahem, *cough* Boozer). Plus, it wasn't until later in the 09 season and the playoffs that Wes exploded on the national scene. Mid-season he was still seeming like a player that might be worth something, but was just a hard-working kid with a chip on his shoulder, no one would have thrown bigger than a 1st round rookie contract at him.

KOC could have locked Wes up mid-season and should have.
It still wouldn't have worked. The league would have challenged it as a salary cap circumvention (and they would have been right). The contract would have likely been voided and Matthews not allowed to rejoin the Jazz.
 
Whether Sloan liked or disliked athleticism, I think he had a lot of power in the draft and player personnel decisions. It will be interesting to see what happens going forward with a coach that doesn't have years and years behind him. Could be better, could be worse, but it definitely changes the dynamic.
 
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