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Jazz and Knicks discussing Donovan Mitchell trade per Shams Charania and Tony Jones

margodydek said:
You know that trope in movies where a guy lends a friend his car, and his friend just wrecks the **** out of it, then he casually returns the keys to the guy like nothing happened? I imagine Ainge is going to "return the keys" to Ryan here in a few days and be like, "don't worry, it's just a few scratches, they'll buff right out..."
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Not at all.

Smith is the guy who wrecked the car last year and now Danny is putting that **** back in the garage and giving it a total overhaul.

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Elizah Huge said:
It’s also funny because you need to take this L on your chin for saying he was going to run the franchise in the ground and sell.

He actually signed off on doing something extremely hard that not a lot of owners want to do and that is tear it down to the studs and start over.
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Must have read my post.
 
I will give props to Ryan for turning things to Ainge and letting him cook like JC when he is on a heater. The best owners let the basketball people drive things.
 
nateboz said:
Just think about the next collective bargaining. The NBA owners will rage. Almost every single star that's not already in a huge market or a foreign player has "demanded" a trade.
These franchises trade all the assets to aquire a player or to build around a player and then it keeps blowing up.
I wonder what will come out of it. Many diehard fans are definitely getting sick of it.
Look at the NFL. They have so much control of the player movement. Most of the teams keep there stars as long as they want them.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a max contract = no trade for first 75% of contract length. True salary cap. 1 protected player right where the team can keep a free agent for 1 year. The player movement had really hurt the NBA in my opinion.

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Dude… what? Who has demanded a trade outside of Davis and Durant?

It can also go the opposite way and you be stuck in basketball purgatory paying 60M to guys like Lillard and Beal well into their mid-30’s.
 
nateboz said:
Just think about the next collective bargaining. The NBA owners will rage. Almost every single star that's not already in a huge market or a foreign player has "demanded" a trade.
These franchises trade all the assets to aquire a player or to build around a player and then it keeps blowing up.
I wonder what will come out of it. Many diehard fans are definitely getting sick of it.
Look at the NFL. They have so much control of the player movement. Most of the teams keep there stars as long as they want them.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a max contract = no trade for first 75% of contract length. True salary cap. 1 protected player right where the team can keep a free agent for 1 year. The player movement had really hurt the NBA in my opinion.

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There's nothing you can do about player movement unless you want to incentivize the players with more money, which just hurts small market teams.

You make it so a max can't be traded, they will just sign for slightly under the max or they won't sign at all and will somewhere else. Also, why would teams want that? What if the team wants to trade the player. That would make matching max contracts to your maybe not quite max RFA much more dangerous.

There's just not a lot you can do about movement. Players will manipulate things to get what they want just like the owners do the same.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
There's nothing you can do about player movement unless you want to incentivize the players with more money, which just hurts small market teams.

You make it so a max can't be traded, they will just sign for slightly under the max or they won't sign at all and will somewhere else. Also, why would teams want that? What if the team wants to trade the player. That would make matching max contracts to your maybe not quite max RFA much more dangerous.

There's just not a lot you can do about movement. Players will manipulate things to get what they want just like the owners do the same.
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Franchise tag.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
There's nothing you can do about player movement unless you want to incentivize the players with more money, which just hurts small market teams.

You make it so a max can't be traded, they will just sign for slightly under the max or they won't sign at all and will somewhere else. Also, why would teams want that? What if the team wants to trade the player. That would make matching max contracts to your maybe not quite max RFA much more dangerous.

There's just not a lot you can do about movement. Players will manipulate things to get what they want just like the owners do the same.
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Except, the nfl though


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I'll flat up admit that I'd be terrible at negotiating before I say this, but:

Does anyone else worry that the Shams/Tony report may be functionally eroding the Jazz's leverage (if any media reports can ever erode leverage)? Now we have all these Jazz-adjacent people (Locke, for example) acting like DM is gone and that it's time to spill the beans on the behind-the-curtain stuff (Austin Horton).

The Tony/Shams report itself basically says that Miami and other teams are no longer under consideration, robbing us of leverage vis a vis offers from other teams (again to the extent that media reports can have an impact). And now it seems like it's the Jazz who are as (or more) desperate as the Knicks to get the deal concluded.

The report and the subsequent lull makes me wonder if this has not been taken by the Knicks as an opportunity to walk the trade back to just barely more than the Heat are offering.

(Again, I'd be a terrible negotiator)
 
Giving Thibs... a defensive coach... Donovan, Brunson, and Randle as the highest paid players it could be ugly fast. Knicks gonna Knick.
 
idiot said:
I'll flat up admit that I'd be terrible at negotiating before I say this, but:

Does anyone else worry that the Shams/Tony report may be functionally eroding the Jazz's leverage (if any media reports can ever erode leverage)? Now we have all these Jazz-adjacent people (Locke, for example) acting like DM is gone and that it's time to spill the beans on the behind-the-curtain stuff (Austin Horton).

The Tony/Shams report itself basically says that Miami and other teams are no longer under consideration, robbing us of leverage vis a vis offers from other teams (again to the extent that media reports can have an impact). And now it seems like it's the Jazz who are as (or more) desperate as the Knicks to get the deal concluded.

The report and the subsequent lull makes me wonder if this has not been taken by the Knicks as an opportunity to walk the trade back to just barely more than the Heat are offering.

(Again, I'd be a terrible negotiator)
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Did you see the leaks and reporting on the Gobert trade? The packages were 75 cents on the dollar and Ainge came out with 225 cents. Don’t doubt Ainge the god.
 
idiot said:
I'll flat up admit that I'd be terrible at negotiating before I say this, but:

Does anyone else worry that the Shams/Tony report may be functionally eroding the Jazz's leverage (if any media reports can ever erode leverage)? Now we have all these Jazz-adjacent people (Locke, for example) acting like DM is gone and that it's time to spill the beans on the behind-the-curtain stuff (Austin Horton).

The Tony/Shams report itself basically says that Miami and other teams are no longer under consideration, robbing us of leverage vis a vis offers from other teams (again to the extent that media reports can have an impact). And now it seems like it's the Jazz who are as (or more) desperate as the Knicks to get the deal concluded.

The report and the subsequent lull makes me wonder if this has not been taken by the Knicks as an opportunity to walk the trade back to just barely more than the Heat are offering.

(Again, I'd be a terrible negotiator)
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The best leverage has always been us just keeping him.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Did you see the leaks and reporting on the Gobert trade? The packages were 75 cents on the dollar and Ainge came out with 225 cents. Don’t doubt Ainge the god.
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There was no reporting (by two of the most trustworthy reporters -- in the sense that it's totally believable that it's coming directly from the Jazz) that the Jazz had eliminated other suitors and entered into sole negotiations with the Wolves. Not the same.
 
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