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Jazz and Knicks discussing Donovan Mitchell trade per Shams Charania and Tony Jones

Elizah Huge said:
You said if we get the 5th worst record but don’t jump into the top-4 we fall to 9th. That’s not true unless 4 teams from 6-14 jump you. If 3 teams from the top-4 stay in the top-4 you are worst fall to 6th.
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Oh, right. Hadn’t thought about how that would change the order after the 5th pick, fair.

But the overarching principle has some merit: it’s not just about the lottery. And I feel like the middle part of the lottery is the most torturous part of the treadmill if you don’t have internal ways to improve, which the Jazz won’t if they don’t nail some picks in the coming years.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I mean, plus you have all the assets from the Rudy trade and whatever assets you can continue to get by trading players like Clarkson/Bogey/Conley.

If you really think Donovan is a top 20 player who can continue to improve it's a thing you can do.

I think that team is probably significantly better than whatever the Knicks can create in the next 3 years.
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if it was about basketball he'd want to go to the heat instead of the Knicks. He isn't gonna stick around. Will only play along so long. Why keep him and build around him if he isn't a top 20 guy... cash out.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Oh, right. Hadn’t thought about how that would change the order after the 5th pick, fair.

But the overarching principle has some merit: it’s not just about the lottery. And I feel like the middle part of the lottery is the most torturous part of the treadmill if you don’t have internal ways to improve, which the Jazz won’t if they don’t nail some picks in the coming years.
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Keeping Mitchell could be the difference between the best odds and the 5th best odds.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
if it was about basketball he'd want to go to the heat instead of the Knicks. He isn't gonna stick around. Will only play along so long. Why keep him and build around him if he isn't a top 20 guy... cash out.
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I mean, I dont think we truly know where Donovan would rather go between those two. Things could change significantly in 3 years, which is why NYK should want to get it done sooner rather than later.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Keeping Mitchell could be the difference between the best odds and the 5th best odds.
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It's not even about the odds of moving up in the lottery. It's about being bad enough so that even if 4 other teams jump us in the lottery, we still have a top-5 pick in a draft with Wemby, Scoot, two Thompsons, Nick Smith and Cam Whitmore.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
It's not even about the odds of moving up in the lottery. It's about being bad enough so that even if 4 other teams jump us in the lottery, we still have a top-5 pick in a draft with Wemby, Scoot, two Thompsons, Nick Smith and Cam Whitmore.
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Yes, so why should we keep Mitchell?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
if it was about basketball he'd want to go to the heat instead of the Knicks. He isn't gonna stick around. Will only play along so long. Why keep him and build around him if he isn't a top 20 guy... cash out.
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Word on the street is that Donovan does prefer Miami. He and Bam are close friends. They can win with Jimmy Butler, then they can recruit Jaylen Brown in two years. Plus, he seems to like the beach.
 
Elizah Huge said:
That team isn’t winning a championship with Donovan on a super max. That is a half *** retool I don’t even consider that a rebuild.
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Not to mention we need to convince guys to leave amazing situations to come here... and Wiggins next deal if it is outside of GS will be a millstone.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
You keep Donovan if the Knicks arent offering any unprotected picks because it's likely just a large package of role players and future role players.
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What if the Heat are offering 3 unprotected 1sts + 3 pick swaps + Herro + Jovic + a 4th 1st they got from a 3rd team?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
You keep Donovan if the Knicks arent offering any unprotected picks because it's likely just a large package of role players and future role players.
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Nah... but you go to the next best offers.
 
Jazz need to wait until the stress levels build in New York and Brooklyn. Jazz need to stay cool and calm and let the other situations come to a head.
 
Elizah Huge said:
You don’t think another player of Mitchell’s caliber could come available for trade between now and then? Lillard or Beal?
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IDK, a lot of stuff could happen. Donovan could average like 30-8-5 this year and his value could even go up.

Utah has no reason to hurry this thing.

All I know is if the package is a lot of mid with no A+ assets, you can get that next year too.
 
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