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Jazz and Knicks discussing Donovan Mitchell trade per Shams Charania and Tony Jones

NUMBERICA said:
This looks to be basically done. I haven’t seen anything about any picks, which at that point… what in the **** is this garbage?
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It's a month before training camp. Patrick Beverly probably gave Danny time to find him a place and he wanted a month to move his.family, etc. He was eager to know according to his social media. Sometimes you just don't do the best deal and hunt for the trade of the century.
 
whatthe said:
It's a month before training camp. Patrick Beverly probably gave Danny time to find him a place and he wanted a month to move his.family, etc. He was eager to know according to his social media. Sometimes you just don't do the best deal and hunt for the trade of the century.
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Danny traded Jae like 15 minutes after his grandma died… traded IT instead of paying him after he played hurt and helped recruit Hayward… he stole money from the Bailey savings and loan and bankrupted them on Christmas Eve…. You telling me he got soft?!?!?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Danny traded Jae like 15 minutes after his grandma died… traded IT instead of paying him after he played hurt and helped recruit Hayward… he stole money from the Bailey savings and loan and bankrupted them on Christmas Eve…. You telling me he got soft?!?!?
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Got it. Danny is the GM Terminator.

He can trade fast and loose and he has an expiration date - a few years before a team stops tolerating/trusting him. But because he has done so many moves and few ones that hurt I don't think it has always been intentional.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Danny traded Jae like 15 minutes after his grandma died… traded IT instead of paying him after he played hurt and helped recruit Hayward… he stole money from the Bailey savings and loan and bankrupted them on Christmas Eve…. You telling me he got soft?!?!?
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No, but you dont want a guy starting to complain publicly about the situation. Especially one like him who has pretty low value around the league and negative value to the Jazz.
 
I'm pretty happy we trade Bev. He can't be in a rebuilding plan and that's where we are. Let's wait 2 more weeks and things will move on.
 
Ron Mexico said:
No, but you dont want a guy starting to complain publicly about the situation. Especially one like him who has pretty low value around the league and negative value to the Jazz.
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Is Pat Bev some malcontent? Holy ****… do people even pay attention. He’s very much the opposite… dude talks mad **** on the court and competes but he’s a ****ing pro… does his job and is all in wherever he goes. Gets traded from LA to Memphis and is like “**** yeah let’s get it” … gets move to Minny and is like “let’s do this!!!”… gets moved here and is like… “cool let me know where you are Utah… if you want me I’ll get you to the playoffs”.

Worst case you buy him out. His deal was expiring.

This deal is a down payment… just wait.
 
People pissed about the Beverley deal don't know the first rules of the tank. Assets are assets. Assets include: Draft picks, expiring contracts, and young players. THT fulfills the third item and turns into the second item after next season assuming a PO opt in.

Yes, Bev was an expiring, but people are seriously assuming Beverly had late first round value by himself. Value is funky in the league, but it's still a young player on a tanking roster. Guessing Utah deals Mitchell fairly soon for this one to go down.
 
TheStormofWar said:
People pissed about the Beverley deal don't know the first rules of the tank. Assets are assets. Assets include: Draft picks, expiring contracts, and young players. THT fulfills the third item and turns into the second item after next season assuming a PO opt in.

Yes, Bev was an expiring, but people are seriously assuming Beverly had late first round value by himself. Value is funky in the league, but it's still a young player on a tanking roster. Guessing Utah deals Mitchell fairly soon for this one to go down.
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Young players are great when you have team control over their contract, which we don't with THT. He probably has more chance of becoming a negative asset than a positive asset.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
Young players are great when you have team control over their contract, which we don't with THT. He probably has more chance of becoming a negative asset than a positive asset.
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We own his Bird Rights and that is as much control as you can expect in this situation. If THT proves useful, we can sign him to a larger deal. If not, he's gone. No downside occurs to me here.
 
TheStormofWar said:
We own his Bird Rights and that is as much control as you can expect in this situation. If THT proves useful, we can sign him to a larger deal. If not, he's gone. No downside occurs to me here.
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Downside is he's bad, opts in, and we miss out on whatever we could have done with his cap space (mainly take on a different bad contract for draft assets).

THT doesn't provide the on court production worth his contract, and is on a team unfriendly deal. That is a negative asset. His age gives him some potential, which probably evens it out a little.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
Downside is he's bad, opts in, and we miss out on whatever we could have done with his cap space (mainly take on a different bad contract for draft assets).

THT doesn't provide the on court production worth his contract, and is on a team unfriendly deal. That is a negative asset. His age gives him some potential, which probably evens it out a little.
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Cap space is projected to increase by about 10m and we'll have a boatload in the '23 offseason. I promise you we aren't missing much.
 
TheStormofWar said:
Cap space is projected to increase by about 10m and we'll have a boatload in the '23 offseason. I promise you we aren't missing much.
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Yeah, I don't see this as that big of a deal, or worth getting too upset about. I just think, as far as asset acquisition goes, this wasn't a great deal.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
Yeah, I don't see this as that big of a deal, or worth getting too upset about. I just think, as far as asset acquisition goes, this wasn't a great deal.
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They are the kind of deals that became death by a thousand cuts in the DL era.

We still don’t have like any second round picks… grab one here or there now… even though its not a huge deal.
 
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