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mellow said:
I like it. This staff is made up of 4 former head coaches and combined they have won 0 nba games.

Next fall could have a lot of really fun games.
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That's ok. Last year, how many NBA wins did Corbin and Lowe have between the two of them?
 
This is a cheap group of assistants No one with anything decent on the resumes. Typical Jazz move, a play at mediocrity.
 
So now we get to see what Lindsey puts together when it's his call. Does the way he hired coaches and assembled this staff indicate anything about how he is going to put this roster together?
 
Vermin said:
This is a cheap group of assistants No one with anything decent on the resumes. Typical Jazz move, a play at mediocrity.
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Would you say the same about the Spurs' assistants?
Guess to make you happy we should have hired some old guy to sit by Snyder who had run a college program into the ground. But hey, at least he had experience.
 
Vermin said:
This is a cheap group of assistants No one with anything decent on the resumes. Typical Jazz move, a play at mediocrity.
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I kind of like the breadth of different experiences that they bring. But you are right that there are no big names on that list. But that doesn't make it bad.

What I am hoping for is that this is a hungry group of guys that, like Snyder, wants to make their mark and a name for themselves.

#CueHotttnikkkHUNGRY
 
Stoked said:
I kind of like the breadth of different experiences that they bring. But you are right that there are no big names on that list. But that doesn't make it bad.

What I am hoping for is that this is a hungry group of guys that, like Snyder, wants to make their mark and a name for themselves.

#CueHotttnikkkHUNGRY
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International experience, D-League championships, working under a number of successful NBA coaches. Very heavily slanted towards the player development side. And isn't that what we need? I'll bet Kawhi would have still been a maligned backup under the old coaching staff. We'd be talking about how the Jazz wasted the pick.
 
Vermin said:
Pretty annoyed at these lame *** hires.
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Because the Jazz have so much more coin than everyone else AND the leverage of being a free-agency dead zone, a rookie head coach, and no premier talent to speak of.

Come on. This merely reflects the reality of where this franchise sits in the scheme of things at the moment. I'm not an expert, but I trust that the expert running the show is doing his best in this instance.
 
David Locke tweeted out this

David Locke @Lockedonsports · 5h

One thing is clear about Jazz staff . It is all about PLAYER DEVELOPMENT
 
NUMBERICA said:
Because the Jazz have so much more coin than everyone else AND the leverage of being a free-agency dead zone, a rookie head coach, and superstar talent.

Come on. This merely reflects the reality of where this franchise sits in the scheme of things at the moment. I'm not an expert, but I trust that the expert running the show is doing his best in this instance.
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I agree. As a long-time Green Bay Packers fan, I remember when they hired Mike McCarthy. He was a young, up-and-coming coach with a history of developing young quarterbacks. While he frustrates me sometimes, it was a great hire and the team has great stability between the front office, coaching staff and players. It's a model franchise at the NFL level in terms of organization.

His first year coaching, he really struggled to get quality coaches outside of the guys he had worked with before. Three years into his head coaching career, it was time to move on from the defensive staff and he was able to hire a quality DC that helped them get to the Super Bowl 2 years later.

I was hoping that his previous experiences with CSKA Moscow and the Spurs organization would be enough to possibly land two big fish. Unfortunately, you're probably right that being a small market team with limited funds makes these types of moves unlikely. My thought process is that the Jazz have to gain an edge in other places off the court if they wan to win on the court. Winning makes everything better. The Spurs are in a small market as well, but have the benefit of being (currently) the best team in the league.

If the Jazz want to get there, then they have to take some chances. I guess, that part of me likes shaking things up. I want a deep roster that changes starting lineups and minutes based on favorable matchups and hard work in practice. Get these guys competing for all of their playing time on a nightly basis. Same thing for the coaches. They have 5 right now, with Jones, Jensen, and Lang all on the bench. That's not a bad group of coaches, but it's not awesome either. Add Ettore Messina and Chip Engelland to the equation and it's suddenly one of the best groups in the league.

This team threw away $15 million last year to pretty much not play Biedrins, Rush and JLIII. I realize that the salary floor was a factor and I was totally on board with the trade and direction of the team. I just wish that the Jazz would go all in to develop that killer's edge to get ahead. Compensating Messina and Engelland to a level that makes it hard to say no would have been well worth the cost to get them.
 
Ellis269 said:
I agree. As a long-time Green Bay Packers fan, I remember when they hired Mike McCarthy. He was a young, up-and-coming coach with a history of developing young quarterbacks. While he frustrates me sometimes, it was a great hire and the team has great stability between the front office, coaching staff and players. It's a model franchise at the NFL level in terms of organization.

His first year coaching, he really struggled to get quality coaches outside of the guys he had worked with before. Three years into his head coaching career, it was time to move on from the defensive staff and he was able to hire a quality DC that helped them get to the Super Bowl 2 years later.

I was hoping that his previous experiences with CSKA Moscow and the Spurs organization would be enough to possibly land two big fish. Unfortunately, you're probably right that being a small market team with limited funds makes these types of moves unlikely. My thought process is that the Jazz have to gain an edge in other places off the court if they wan to win on the court. Winning makes everything better. The Spurs are in a small market as well, but have the benefit of being (currently) the best team in the league.

If the Jazz want to get there, then they have to take some chances. I guess, that part of me likes shaking things up. I want a deep roster that changes starting lineups and minutes based on favorable matchups and hard work in practice. Get these guys competing for all of their playing time on a nightly basis. Same thing for the coaches. They have 5 right now, with Jones, Jensen, and Lang all on the bench. That's not a bad group of coaches, but it's not awesome either. Add Ettore Messina and Chip Engelland to the equation and it's suddenly one of the best groups in the league.

This team threw away $15 million last year to pretty much not play Biedrins, Rush and JLIII. I realize that the salary floor was a factor and I was totally on board with the trade and direction of the team. I just wish that the Jazz would go all in to develop that killer's edge to get ahead. Compensating Messina and Engelland to a level that makes it hard to say no would have been well worth the cost to get them.
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I would've loved Engelland, Messina, or Blatt. However, and again, we don't know what happened behind the scenes. What we do know is that Blatt is regarded highly enough that he landed a job with a team that has the #1 pick and a distant shot at landing Lebron. And Chip works with the best franchise in the NBA, and possibly in pro sports. The Jazz really don't have anything to offer over those situations. Messina, I don't know, I think they could've landed him (even as an assistant), but maybe they're just going all-in on development. Again, we don't know.

As far as the finances, picking up Biedrins and Jefferson was all about the salary floor. The Jazz lost no money by taking them on. Coaches aren't part of the salary cap, so you're paying out of pocket, period. Considering that and that the franchise has 0 leverage at this point (besides "stability" and a nice place to live if you're into/comfortable with racial homogony), we shouldn't expect names of any particular stature. Furthermore, everyone starts somewhere.

If the team does well, the profiles of those in the coaching ranks will invariably improve.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I would've loved Engelland, Messina, or Blatt. However, and again, we don't know what happened behind the scenes. What we do know is that Blatt is regarded highly enough that he landed a job with a team that has the #1 pick and a distant shot at landing Lebron. And Chip works with the best franchise in the NBA, and possibly in pro sports. The Jazz really don't have anything to offer over those situations. Messina, I don't know, I think they could've landed him (even as an assistant), but maybe they're just going all-in on development. Again, we don't know.

As far as the finances, picking up Biedrins and Jefferson was all about the salary floor. The Jazz lost no money by taking them on. Coaches aren't part of the salary cap, so you're paying out of pocket, period. Considering that and that the franchise has 0 leverage at this point (besides "stability" and a nice place to live if you're into/comfortable with racial homogony), we shouldn't expect names of any particular stature. Furthermore, everyone starts somewhere.

If the team does well, the profiles of those in the coaching ranks will invariably improve.
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Great post. I don't disagree with a thing that you said there. We don't know what happened behind the scenes, but I don't think that it's a stretch to say that money kept them from going all out to get them and I think that's a mistake.
 
Ellis269 said:
Great post. I don't disagree with a thing that you said there. We don't know what happened behind the scenes, but I don't think that it's a stretch to say that money kept them from going all out to get them and I think that's a mistake.
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Perhaps. I think the money is more of a secondary issue, personally. But you may be right.

And thank you.
 
Ellis269 said:
Great post. I don't disagree with a thing that you said there. We don't know what happened behind the scenes, but I don't think that it's a stretch to say that money kept them from going all out to get them and I think that's a mistake.
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I think it is a stretch to say that. Lindsey said money would NOT be an issue in hiring a head coach. Then, when Snyder was hired, he talked about contacting Messina and Engelland. I'm sure those phone calls were made. I googled an article stating that Lawrence Frank was the highest paid assistant at $1M. I think Gentry was just hired for a bit more. I doubt the Millers would have vetoed a guy like Messina or Engelland because they wanted $1M. That would have been an easy sale for Lindsey and Snyder.
 
I really want to know what happens and what happened with Messina. He lobbied in the press for an NBA job so I'm pretty sure he's burned some bridges in Europe and he still doesn't have a job (unless there's SOMETHING to the Spurs thing).
 
Core4 said:
Would you say the same about the Spurs' assistants?
Guess to make you happy we should have hired some old guy to sit by Snyder who had run a college program into the ground. But hey, at least he had experience.
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LOL oh I get it...Quinn is as good as Pop and is in a position to groom these inexperienced coaches. Or maybe its that these guys have soooo much NBA experience that they will be a real help when our new young coach hits a wall. ooookkkk.

Not a fan of this but hoping for the best.
 
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