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Jazz considering Jonas Valanciunas at #3

Valanciunas is more of a Center than PF and Kanter is more PF than center. But Kanter has much more upside than JV. So its more logical to pick knight rather than valanciunas.
one simple comparison,
Valanciunas' ceiling is Brook lopez, both style and quality
and for Enes its Nowitzki.
We will see who will reach their potential and who will not
 
sepanol said:
Valanciunas is more of a Center than PF and Kanter is more PF than center. But Kanter has much more upside than JV. So its more logical to pick knight rather than valanciunas.
one simple comparison,
Valanciunas' ceiling is Brook lopez, both style and quality
and for Enes its Nowitzki.
We will see who will reach their potential and who will not
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LMMFBAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!holly **** is that funny!
 
Favors Flave said:
Bad trade. That package alone could get you the number 1 pick. Knight's ceiling is Harris in his prime. The GS pick has the potential to turn out and get a solid player and the 12th pick could be a solid player like Biyombo, Singleton,Thompson,Donatas,Burks,Kemba,Jimmer,Hamilton. I like Knight but he is not that valuable.
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I disagree, i think knight can be much better than harris. I dont hate harris but its obvious he is not a clutch guy and he isnt a legitimate pg for a contender. Talent base he may not be much better than harris but he has stronger intuition and more important, confidence. Thats what i see in knight.

12 th pick wont give us as much upside as knight, (i dont think donatas, leonard or such caliber players will fall there) and i dont think singleton thompson biyombo will be more than decent starters. And for next year, its for sure that the draft will be full of talented players but its not sure gsw will be at the top 8 or not. So its a risk worth taking for me.

with a young core of knight hayward kanter favors we can be contender consequtive years.
 
I thought Valanciunas' wingspan/standing reach was more than that. Valanciunas might be more energetic than Kanter, but I think Kanter has more natural talent.

As far as trading assets to move up in this draft I'm against it. Every player's a gamble so it's nice to get as many gambles as possible to increase your chances of one hitting the jackpot. IMO Knight hasn't enough upside to sacrifice all those other gambles for this one player. Stop falling in love with players. NO ONE IS A SURE THING.
 
i have a reason to love kanter (nationality), but i never supported memo so much and i think his contract is too much for his skills. So i think im pretty objective, but lets say i love him just cuz he is turk, then whats the reason people hate him? or judge him without watching one single game in nba?
 
i have seen kanter play on tv in a real game, not highlights, pkm saw in real, and people still think we love him becuz he is handsome or what?
He is very talented, lets accept this.
If he will suck in nba, the main reason will be intangibles, not in-court attributes.
 
sepanol said:
Valanciunas is more of a Center than PF and Kanter is more PF than center. But Kanter has much more upside than JV. So its more logical to pick knight rather than valanciunas.
one simple comparison,
Valanciunas' ceiling is Brook lopez, both style and quality
and for Enes its Nowitzki.
We will see who will reach their potential and who will not
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This is a little ridiculous. Lopez is pretty young so how do you know how good he can get? Not to mention his weakness (boards) is JV's cornerstone skill.

Then you go on to compare your guy to the greatest shooting big in history. There's nothing wrong with honking your boy but this is a pretty far cry from a convincing argument.
 
Watching all the JV videos that were posted he was very good at high Pick and Roll (with VERY minimal D unfortunately) However, he did show great hands, fluidity, and a naturalness. He also noted how EXCEPTIONALLY long his arms are. That puts him closer to the reported 9' 6" standing reach which was rumored here before. (unless he really just has a long neck...)

So his value could be that he is a clone of Favors and thus Jazz could go back to two high post game in which either side is deadly. (Well provided you have some guards, all sorts of them, to run it well.) So you add to this plan that Milsap is good at high pick n' roll so the odd man out is Big Al. I think Kanter is more AJ look-alike, but i only saw one game and that was the Nike Hoops Summit game. And that game is an All star game so its pretty much 'who has it, shoots it" offense.

Favors, JV, & Milsap gives you the right 3 post rotation so that you can go tall+tall, or tall+short depending upon matchup, yet all the guys play the same game. I'm a Big Al fan but it is clear his game is different.

In short, JV seems to be a fit to an existing Jazz strategy, be he also has very high bust potential.
 
sepanol said:
i have seen kanter play on tv in a real game, not highlights, pkm saw in real, and people still think we love him becuz he is handsome or what?
He is very talented, lets accept this.
If he will suck in nba, the main reason will be intangibles, not in-court attributes.
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Wellmit certainly is not that he is handsome.....aaawwwe you think hes handsome. Cute.
 
One of the things I really like about JV is how effective he is without having the ball passed to him much. In other words he is happy to play the garbage man and won't demand plays run to him and won't have much opportunity to turn the ball over.

Like Favors, he fits with everybody for this reason. I think our guys would love playing with him.
 
I dont think the jazz will select him by any means, but if it between him and kanter i take jv. Mute point because knihts the pick.
 
Brown Notes said:
One of the things I really like about JV is how effective he is without having the ball passed to him much. In other words he is happy to play the garbage man and won't demand plays run to him and won't have much opportunity to turn the ball over.

Like Favors, he fits with everybody for this reason. I think our guys would love playing with him.
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and ure talking from a couple of highlights u have seen about jv. its far less realistic arguement than mine about kanter n nowitzki comparison.

Nowitzki werent born the biggest shooter ever. He worked every day.

He told in an interview that, he feels lucky he didnt win a championship early in his careeer, so that pushed him to work more and more to get to his current level.

I never told kanter will be nowitzki for sure, i told he has the potential as much as him, it all depends on working.

Brook lopez is young but he isnt rookie. We can more or less preseee he wont be a highest level center but an allstar. I dnt think JV will even pass brook lopez's current level at all. He has some skills but they rnt comparible to Kanter.
 
BOX said:
I dont think the jazz will select him by any means, but if it between him and kanter i take jv. Mute point because knihts the pick.
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i wonder who would u pick between jimmer and kanter.
 
and ure talking from a couple of highlights u have seen about jv. its far less realistic arguement than mine about kanter n nowitzki comparison.
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This is absurd. I can't believe you want to be taken seriously with this stuff.

JV was effective while he was on the court. He did not get the ball passed to him much. JV makes a living cleaning up around the rim and setting picks. Good luck disputing that. The fact that he averaged @ 8ppg with next to zero post moves or offense run through him at 15 mpg is plenty of evidence of talent. For this reason he can contribute while he develops under Jefferson without taking possessions away from our scorers.

I don't need to get some kind of film cred going to make these points. And your comparisons were not good for the exact reasons I stated. Kanter looks pretty good but his resume is very weak compared to JV. It sucks he got screwed by the NCAA but he did. There is no compelling reason to believe Kanter is any less risky than Jonas, and good evidence to support Valenciunas' commitment to improve.

None of this is intended as a slam on Kanter. I think the hype is a little overblown compared to what he actually is but if he could be as good as Okur he deserves a hard look.
 
Brown Notes said:
This is absurd. I can't believe you want to be taken seriously with this stuff.

JV was effective while he was on the court. He did not get the ball passed to him much. JV makes a living cleaning up around the rim and setting picks. Good luck disputing that. The fact that he averaged @ 8ppg with next to zero post moves or offense run through him at 15 mpg is plenty of evidence of talent. For this reason he can contribute while he develops under Jefferson without taking possessions away from our scorers.

I don't need to get some kind of film cred going to make these points. And your comparisons were not good for the exact reasons I stated. Kanter looks pretty good but his resume is very weak compared to JV. It sucks he got screwed by the NCAA but he did. There is no compelling reason to believe Kanter is any less risky than Jonas, and good evidence to support Valenciunas' commitment to improve.

None of this is intended as a slam on Kanter. I think the hype is a little overblown compared to what he actually is but if he could be as good as Okur he deserves a hard look.
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im talking a little bit instinctal outputs rather than scientifical ones ure right, but there are many players in nba from Turkey, and we could never guess they would reach their current level. Okur improved himself a lot, he wasnt rated so highly before he went to NBA. He acknowledges himself, Sloan made him improve a lot. Hedo also was good but noone guessed he could reach to nba finals and have a great performance like 2 yrs ago. And this year, rookie Asik was very good and believe me as much as succesful he was in Turkey, his offensive side was criticized a lot and we couldnt foresee his current performance.

Im not insisting Kanter will be a superstar , but the reason i back him all the time is, he is the most talented turkish player who will ever particiapte in nba, and if Memo and others reached this far he can achieve much more. Thats my belief.

I also like JV but i dont think he is complementary to Favors as much as Kanter. A front court with Favors n JV in future, would be very weak in the offensive end.
 
I also like JV but i dont think he is complementary to Favors as much as Kanter. A front court with Favors n JV in future, would be very weak in the offensive end.
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The trouble with this statement is you are happy to project Kanter's rise yet in your future Favors and JV cannot develop their offensive game. In both of their cases we are talking about raw potential, and Kanter is considered a polished scorer.

Right? I mean, seriously, only Kanter can get better? Really?
 
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