Young athletic talent?
Like Mitchell, Allen, Exum, Burks and O’Neale?
Jazz find and get both retreads and young new talent. Depends on what role they are trying to fill.
Jazz Free Agency Summer of 2018
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Young athletic talent?
Like Mitchell, Allen, Exum, Burks and O’Neale?
Jazz find and get both retreads and young new talent. Depends on what role they are trying to fill.
TheStormofWar
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It should probably be said that "expressing interest" doesn't mean we are signing him.
LoPo
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Yeah, but we spent $13 million last year to add Thabo, Jerekbo, and Udoh instead of going after somebody like Jonathan Simmons or Jamychal Green or Mirotic. And now we are talking about keeping often injured 8 year vet Favors and bringing back Booker instead of going after a Jabari Parker, Hezonja, Seth Curry or Jerami Grant.
We are super conservative. Almost always have been.
Jack Strop
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i think tleikheen is saying the Jazz should have a stable of young assets instead of old retreads. You can't make trades if you don't have young prospects teams want. Mitchell is untouchable, of course, and Allen is a new addition. But nobody wants Burks. He's a 7yr vet that is only valuable at the deadline as an expiring contract. O'Neale has limited appeal. Exum might garner some mild curiosity in free agency, but he's just been injured too much for any team to value him highly.
I'm all for replacing our three NG players with young prospects who have some upside. Same can be said of Neto. Nice guy, but not a player who would be worth much in a trade.
I'm all for replacing our three NG players with young prospects who have some upside. Same can be said of Neto. Nice guy, but not a player who would be worth much in a trade.
LoPo
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TheStormofWar
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I hear ya, but we aren't exactly sporting retreads here. Thabo, Ekpe, and Jonas are small time expiring contracts, Burks is expiring, and what not. Utah does have young core players in place. Gobert is 26, Ricky is 27, Royce is 26, and Favors is 27. On the young side, we have Donovan, Allen, and Bradley. Utah will re-tool next year as necessary, but we aren't really old. Utah is actually middle of the pack in terms of average age on the roster.
https://herosports.com/nba/oldest-youngest-nba-teams-after-2018-nba-trade-deadline-byby
You realize that Favors is younger than Jonathan Simmons, Jamychal Green and Mirotic right? Why is someone else's retread better than our own?
I suspect the Booker news is us doing him a favor by saying we're interested to boost his value.
Also we can easily sign Exum, Favors and bring another player in. Personally I am partial to Hezonja.
LoPo
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The comment about Green, Simmons and Mirotic was for last year. We chose Thabo, Udoh and Jerekbo over those options who cost a little bit more but have higher ceilings.
You could be right about Booker.
Like I said before, I'm okay with Favors, Exum and Hezonja. I just want a Hezonja type player since there are a bunch of young guys with potential we can get with our MLE.
Having a mix of respected vets is a good thing on a team. Thabo was a big help to Donovan last year, and he’s said as much.
Jazz are not that old, but they do need to change a piece or two. I’m fine with not making any major moves until next offseason but you better bring back Favors and Exum or something equal in return. Can’t get weaker for nothing. Favs doesn’t work against every team but he’s certainly a great player to have.
Tbh the Jazz have been pretty damn silent....and that’s to be expected. But let’s hear something.
Jazz are not that old, but they do need to change a piece or two. I’m fine with not making any major moves until next offseason but you better bring back Favors and Exum or something equal in return. Can’t get weaker for nothing. Favs doesn’t work against every team but he’s certainly a great player to have.
Tbh the Jazz have been pretty damn silent....and that’s to be expected. But let’s hear something.
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mellow
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Jazz and Booker love each other, at this moment in time it is mutually beneficial for each of them to say they are interested. It might drive up Bookers salary or convince another team to act quickly. For the jazz, who find themselves for the second offseason in a row waiting on their own guy to decide if he wants to go or not, it helps the fan PR.
Now....back to waiting. How many cities do you think Favors will visit?
Now....back to waiting. How many cities do you think Favors will visit?
TheStormofWar
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Good points.
According to Tony Jones the only meeting he currently had scheduled was today’s with the Jazz.
Jack Strop
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Simply not true under Lindsey. He added Thabo, Jerebko and Udoh last season because he had to wait until July 4th for Hayward's Player's Tribune abomination. Even at that, he was in Washington to talk to Porter's agent at the time. Oh yeah, with 15 guaranteed contracts, he also signed O'Neale. Many of us were WTF?
Lindsey has taken big chances in the draft, trading up for Burke, buying a pick to get back in for Gobert, taking Lyles ahead of Booker. Took a chance on Ingles. Trades? Made the trade for Hill, then Rubio and last year, to move up for Donovan. Traded Hood for Crowder. Now, I very much disagreed with the decision not to trade for Mirotic. I think Lindsey was wrong. But I also understand why he made that decision. He thought Utah was probably not going to make the playoffs and he'd be trading a lottery pick. As we saw, there were great prospects all the way down to #14. Mirotic or a lottery pick? Plus, no one foresaw the Cousins' injury. Lindsey thought Chicago would probably accept a couple of seconds at the deadline.
Jazz were arguably a top-5 team last season. So what do you want Utah to do, blow it all up? Sure, I'd love to see George, Lebron or Kawhi list Utah as their preferred destination. But it didn't happen and you move on. Why is it bad to "run it back." I think Lindsey has kicked the tires on a few guys he'd consider with the MLE. But it takes two to tango. And to spend more than that on a player would require Utah getting under the cap. That means weakening the team by renouncing Favors, Exum, their exceptions and/or giving up a 1st to dump Burks' salary. Instead, you keep your players and still have Burks' expiring and perhaps $13m more for a deadline trade. I'd wager there will be some very good vets available as teams look to clear salaries for the summer of 2019. And tbh, I see that as a better option to acquire a starter/6th man than hoping one of the beautiful free agents will dance with us.
I'd say Lindsey's actions, including his original decision to "tank" (getting rid of the likes of Jefferson, Millsap, Foye, etc.) have been far from conservative. The conservative route would have been to simply retool, make the playoffs every season, and Ty would have likely still been the head coach. Millers never would have let a coach go that made the playoffs every year.
Jack Strop
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Free agency doesn't start and end today. I heard Chicago might be interested in Derrick. So perhaps he's meeting with the Bulls at some point this week. I'm sure Derrick heard the Jazz' pitch and needs to consider it along with his family. I wonder why no one has talked about the reasons for his wife moving back to GA. Are they separated? Will it influence his decision to be so far from her and/or his children? Has to be tough. At least I HOPE it's tough. I realize some fathers don't care much for their offspring.
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