I know?.....but that’s all he has scheduled now?
Jazz Free Agency Summer of 2018
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LoPo
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I'm talking about free agency. I agree, DL is aggressive around the draft and also looking into undrafted/diamond in the rough guys. But in terms of free agency, we don't aim high. We don't take risks. I'm not talking about giving an awful 2016 type deal, but I'm talking about going after a guy worth molding. If our coaching staff can make Ingles so important and O'Neale so valuable, why couldn't we try the same with a Vonleh, Hezonja, Simmons, etc., etc.?
I can't remember the last time we got a free agent during free agency with some upside. I appreciate role players, but I also feel like we can develop with the best of them.
I'm talking about free agency. I agree, DL is aggressive around the draft and also looking into undrafted/diamond in the rough guys. But in terms of free agency, we don't aim high. We don't take risks. I'm not talking about giving an awful 2016 type deal, but I'm talking about going after a guy worth molding. If our coaching staff can make Ingles so important and O'Neale so valuable, why couldn't we try the same with a Vonleh, Hezonja, Simmons, etc., etc.?
I can't remember the last time we got a free agent during free agency with some upside. I appreciate role players, but I also feel like we can develop with the best of them.
Jack Strop
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We don't necessarily know that. Jones' isn't Derrick's personal assistant. And Derrick could have very well told a couple of teams he'd meet with them after he spoke with Utah. Could be working on scheduling visits now. What IS encouraging is that Derrick said he wasn't interested in just a phone call. He needs a face-to-face to assess an organization, talk to coaches about his role, etc.
He said he sacrificed last year with Utah and he did. He's a better offensive player than Rudy, but doesn't get the touches. He can play P&R or take the mid-range shot. Play him 33 mins and he probably averages 16/10. Utah may be the only team that will allow him to play PF, though.
Jack Strop
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Ever heard of a guy named Royce O'Neale? How about the chance DL took on JJ. Not a guy with upside, but an important addition.
Dennis really didn't want to add FA's until 2 years ago. He wanted the Jazz to have a weak bench and lose so he could get lottery picks. But he only did a half-*** tank. Picks out of the top-10, even top-5 are generally not going to develop into franchise players. Had he not struck gold with Gobert and Mitchell, we'd be calling for his head (or he would have been fired).
That aside, I think you have to evaluate FA's over the last three years (counting this summer). JJ was a great addition. And the others came via trade. Hill was a necessary trade. Diaw was meh. Last year he got Rubio by trade instead of free agency. Very good move. And then there was virtually nothing he could do. His hands were tied until July 4th by Hayward. The really good FA's are generally gone by Day 1. But he found O'Neale and we got contributions out of Thabo, Udoh and Jerebko.
Now? As I said, it takes two parties to make a deal. We know Utah isn't on the list of a lot of free agents. Who's to say Lindsey hasn't contacted virtually everyone on your list and been rebuffed? We only have the MLE unless major changes occur. I think Favs and Exum are worth more than any of the FA's that want more than the MLE.
But I get your frustration. We all want that one player who is going to take us to the next level. I can see Lindsey adding a player on a 1-yr deal. I don't see him compromising cap space for 2019.
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Grimmetal
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I think the unspoken thing about these meetings are that they can turn into venting sessions and need to be 100% open on both sides. Sometimes it can be very productive to air things out and sometimes it's just an honest coming to terms on roles and things.
Hoping to hear something today but wouldn't be surprised to hear nothing until something has been decided.
Hoping to hear something today but wouldn't be surprised to hear nothing until something has been decided.
True.
LoPo
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You know that's not what I'm talking about.
And the emergence of Royce O'Neale could have been about Mitchell as much or more than Lindsey. That's Donovan's guy.
Agreed, I think the relationship between the Jazz/Favors is great. The fit, not so much. But we can only know what’s been reported on, and that’s all that’s been reported as of now. It’s hard to read this situation....it’s complicated for both sides.
LoPo
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When it comes to Favors and this free agency, this is all I think about https://theundefeated.com/features/...-unrestricted-nba-free-agency-for-first-time/:
“I’m just trying to find the right situation that makes sense for me as a player. Be in the right spot. Get a chance to showcase my talent. Get a chance to showcase what I can do. I’m just focused on finding the right situation that is the right fit for me.”
If he wants to come back so badly, why make this comment? If Utah is such a perfect fit for him (according to his comments and various reports), what is he trying to find? Does Utah not make sense? Can he not showcase his talent in Utah? He said fit and situation twice like his current one has not been the right fit or situation.
I might be looking too hard into these comments, but it does seem like he wants a bigger role that this team is not going to give him.
“I’m just trying to find the right situation that makes sense for me as a player. Be in the right spot. Get a chance to showcase my talent. Get a chance to showcase what I can do. I’m just focused on finding the right situation that is the right fit for me.”
If he wants to come back so badly, why make this comment? If Utah is such a perfect fit for him (according to his comments and various reports), what is he trying to find? Does Utah not make sense? Can he not showcase his talent in Utah? He said fit and situation twice like his current one has not been the right fit or situation.
I might be looking too hard into these comments, but it does seem like he wants a bigger role that this team is not going to give him.
He hasn’t been in the best fit/situation. Let’s be honest about it, at least as playing time/position are concerned. As far as the organization, I think he enjoys the fit. There are certainly cons to returning. Market and other offers/situations (which are drying up) will be a big part of what his decision is.
Well it's kinda like you've been going out with this girl, she's cute and hot, and you're really into her. So you asked her if you guys could become a couple.
But she's hesitant - and understandably so, because you're just a 'slightly average' gus but she's one of a kind. It also seems like she's looking around, playing the field.
So you play it cool, as though you also have other options waiting for you - EVEN THOUGH ALL YOU GOT IN YOUR HEART IS HER.
David Stern
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I'm honestly wondering if DL is trying to trade Thabo last minute to get something of value back for him
TheStormofWar
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Agreed. Seems kind of weird to wait on this. Either do or don't.
Jack Strop
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Were Royce and Donovan friends before Lindsey signed him? The emergence of Royce was due to his defense. I remember the victory over SA he sealed by denying two shots at the end. I have my fingers crossed that he and Crowder can improve their 3pt shooting.
I don't think Favors is married. I could be wrong but perhaps his wife/GF needed more support since Derrick is on the road a lot. Maybe she moved back because she is from the Atlanta area and has family who can help out. Fans sometimes forget that players have families and they have to at least consider them when making decisions where to play. Lebron may go to LA but I think he certainly weighs how this decision will affect the family. I won't blame Favors if he stays near home or if he goes back to the Jazz. He has to do what is best for both his career and family. He has a tough choice to make even if some fans don't see it that way.
Bawse Dawg
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How have we not heard anything all day?
TheStormofWar
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Could be nothing to report. The entire league is waiting on LeBron. Once that chip falls, the rest of the pieces will tumble. Teams like the Lakers, Washington, and Milwaukee could use Favors, but need to wait for other teams to go before making their moves. Sucks as Jazz fans that we need to be patient.
Just initial rumors Jazz are interested in Booker and Jabari Parker.
Nothing on the Favors meeting, Exum or anything else.
LoPo
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The timing is interesting. I think it all comes down to Favors. If Favors and our FO cannot come to an agreement, we might pass on Thabo since we might feel we need more flexibility in the coming weeks to find a better starting PF option.
Keeping Favors is getting the band back together. Losing Favors might make us shift our focus. Maybe we try to trade for Tobias Harris or sign Jabari Parker. Thabo's $5.25 pretty much kills cap space to go over the $8.6 MLE.