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Jazz, George Hill taking contract talks down to wire

There are also guys like Deng that went to losing situations for the money. It does happen and it's not like Brooklyn can do any better with their cap space. Also what if Philly doesn't draft a pg... they'd roll out the brinks truck too. NY might have some space... I mean the upside is not great here.
 
The argument is that the teams that can afford to pay him lots are the teams that are lottery bound.

Not all of them will draft pgs and some would love a steady vet that could switch between positions.
 
There are also guys like Deng that went to losing situations for the money. It does happen and it's not like Brooklyn can do any better with their cap space. Also what if Philly doesn't draft a pg... they'd roll out the brinks truck too. NY might have some space... I mean the upside is not great here.

Getting paid a ton of money to go lose for the Lakers is different than getting paid a ton of money to play in Sacramento.

Also no one else wanted to pay Deng close to that $$$ who were good teams, so not comparable.
 
Source: George Hill has been advised he can get much better deal this summer than what Jazz can offer now. @tribjazz reports talks dead.
— Tim MacMahon (@espn_macmahon) February 28, 2017
 
Yeah talk is DEAD.


Jody Genessy‏ @DJJazzyJody 9m9 minutes ago
Can confirm that George Hill will not sign an extension with the Utah Jazz this season. He'll be a top priority this offseason for the team.
 
Getting paid a ton of money to go lose for the Lakers is different than getting paid a ton of money to play in Sacramento.

Also no one else wanted to pay Deng close to that $$$ who were good teams, so not comparable.

If they offer hill 4/100 and we are 4/80 you don't think he says you know 20M is a lot of cash? If it doesn't work out I can ask for a trade to a better situation.

3/75 is a lot but I think you could move that deal easier than 4/80 because of less years.

I just don't see the upside I guess. And I see a ton of benefit to doing your work now and being focused in free agency rather than having multiple balls in the air.

I'm just disappointed because I love this team man and Hill is a bawse-*** bulldawg.
 
This is exactly what I thought. I think this deal gets done because the incentives for all three parties are in line by overpaying Hill.

The Jazz can benefit from paying Hill more than he would get on the market because they have about $4M that they will have to pay in order to reach the salary floor. This means that they can overpay Hill by that amount and it is "free". Next, assuming Hill's market value is below 3 years at $88M, by including $13M of the market value in this year's salary they can structure a deal which underpays in subsequent years. This will create a future asset and provides flexibility (because they can trade it away if needed). Additionally, a deal would provide value as a signal to Gordon.

Second, Hill's new agent is incentivized to get this deal done because if he turns down an offer that is better than what Hill can get later on the open market his reputation will be damaged.

Finally, Hill will be happy with an over payment because he makes more money!

So you see, all parties gain from an over payment, and equally important, everyone is a looser from not getting the deal done.

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Source: George Hill has been advised he can get much better deal this summer than what Jazz can offer now. @tribjazz reports talks dead.
— Tim MacMahon (@espn_macmahon) February 28, 2017

If it is a can offer issue then I apologize for bitching. If it's a won't offer issue then I think we will regret the move.
 
If they offer hill 4/100 and we are 4/80 you don't think he says you know 20M is a lot of cash? If it doesn't work out I can ask for a trade to a better situation.

3/75 is a lot but I think you could move that deal easier than 4/80 because of less years.

I just don't see the upside I guess. And I see a ton of benefit to doing your work now and being focused in free agency rather than having multiple balls in the air.

I'm just disappointed because I love this team man and Hill is a bawse-*** bulldawg.

Why is fewer years a positive? I think it would be easier to move Hill at 20m with 2-3 years left, and actually get something in return, than move 25m on an expiring contract.
 
Why is fewer years a positive? I think it would be easier to move Hill at 20m with 2-3 years left, and actually get something in return, than move 25m on an expiring contract.

Because he's older. Say he gets hurt in a year or two it's easier to pawn the salary off on a crappy team because it comes off of the cap earlier. Easier for teams to project.

If he was entering his prime more years are generally better.

Think of it like this in 3 years would you offer 34 year old hill 20 M for one year? Likely no.
 
All great news. Jazz have Hill for the playoffs before he's due the biggest contract of his career
 
I am curious what the Jazz offered and what Hill wants.

Me too... I'm sure they will offer up the details (not really). I need one of our ace reporters to get some details... that might be less likely to happen.

Maybe Marc stein will just make something up
 
Because he's older. Say he gets hurt in a year or two it's easier to pawn the salary off on a crappy team because it comes off of the cap earlier. Easier for teams to project.

If he was entering his prime more years are generally better.

Think of it like this in 3 years would you offer 34 year old hill 20 M for one year? Likely no.

I wouldn't pay 33 year old Hill 25m for one year either. If he doesn't get hurt, then we can get more value trading him in a couple of years if he's on a 4 year contract, I would think. Either way, it isn't clear why one situation is better than the other. All I know is that I wouldn't want to pay Hill the max, and be unable to resign our players/add new players in the future.

Given that Hill thinks he can get more than the Jazz can offer this year, then we can assume that 3/88 wasn't good enough. He's probably looking for 4/100m+. Which I wouldn't do.
 
Me too... I'm sure they will offer up the details (not really). I need one of our ace reporters to get some details... that might be less likely to happen.

Maybe Marc stein will just make something up

This is a bummer(assuming thsee tweets can be trusted).
I'm in your camp. I would love to extend Hill for 3 more even if it's an overpay but the 4th year he will demand in FA worries me.
It seems to me a contract extension makes sense monetarily for both parties. Kinda worried that this isn't getting done cuz hill doesn't think haward is going to come back.
 
I'm just going to assume he looked at 3/88 right now and said he thinks he can get at least 4/90... maybe 4/120 and he walked.

I'm going to assume DL laid it all out there and Hill balked. It's the only thing that makes sense to me on this... just not sure why they'd discuss it if the max we could give isn't enough.

3/88 is really 3/84 in real dollars as we have to pay the 4.2 to get to the floor anyway. Maybe this was one of those setup discussions for the summer.
 
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