Would you be happy paying him $10 million for this role? I for one wouldn't. Time to move on.
Jazz Have a Chance at Kaman
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Would you be happy paying him $10 million for this role? I for one wouldn't. Time to move on.
..and they're over the cap...
So they're not going to match Eric Gordon just so they can acquire Al Jefferson outright huh?
In addition to not knowing what the cap is until later on this week or next...
In addition to not counting any unknown buyout amounts...
In addition to assuming any team would want to let everyone walk just to assume Al Jefferson...
In addition to assuming they'll renounce their TPE just to acquire Al Jefferson...
Ya might want to think these things over a bit before telling us what is and is not true so matter of factly, ummmkay?
theNBAnerd
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..and they're over the cap...
So they're not going to match Eric Gordon just so they can acquire Al Jefferson outright huh?
In addition to not knowing what the cap is until later on this week or next...
In addition to not counting any unknown buyout amounts...
In addition to assuming any team would want to let everyone walk just to assume Al Jefferson...
In addition to assuming they'll renounce their TPE just to acquire Al Jefferson...
Ya might want to think these things over a bit before telling us what is and is not true so matter of factly, ummmkay?
holy crap, i said none of those things. grab a calculator and follow along:
1) gordon's max deal will likely start at 12-13M, not the 9.3M cap hold you used. that's a difference, but not one that puts them over the cap. at minimum, they'd still have 8-10M of cap room, which means they could sign-and-trade somebody at just 5-7M and make the deal work.
2) they WOULD know what the cap was by the time they made a trade because trades can't be completed until the moratorum is over anyway.
3) "unknown buyout amounts"? those things are pretty much known.
4) we're not talking about "letting everyone walk." we're talking about not needing to retain the rights to landry (who they probably wouldn't keep if they had al anyway) and marco frickin' bellineli.
5) by definition, their TPE doesn't exist if they are under the cap. they don't renounce it to stay under the cap because if they're under the cap, it doesn't exist. a TPE is a mechanism for over-the-cap teams to complete a non-simultaneous trade despite being over the cap.
and besides all that, all i was saying is that new orleans is a team that has the option of operating like an under-the-cap team, so salaries don't have to match. which is true. yes, they'd have to take some steps to get to that point, but everything i've said to this point is 100% factually correct. and i'm not saying this because i think al-for-kaman is going to happen, or should happen, or will happen... i was simply chiming in to remind whoever that poster was that, when dealing with teams that have the potential for cap space, you don't necessarily have to stay in the 150%+100K window.
I'll give you #5--I mess up very rarely but clearly did here.
The rest is ******** piled upon ********. Interesting how deep you're taking this trying to dig your way out of a stupid *** post that was flat out wrong... typical of the reactionary know-it-all types who put their mouth in gear before engaging the brain...
Grab a calculator yourself--see my post earlier. They are at roughly $47mm, Al's at $15mm, cap is somewhere in the $58mm range. Can we do some quick math big boy? So now you're matter of fact post also implies they trade away salary for nothing in return to clear enough space for Jefferson. Under this clever definition of yours, everyone in the league can act like an under the cap team and assume Jefferson's contract. Great work; you want a pat on the back for it?
Before you throw your next flaming bag of dog **** for a post, run along and find out what portion of those non-guaranteed contracts are guaranteed for so you can take those parts out of your endless list of assumptions. "Those things are pretty much known" and it should be too much to ask you to include it in the next level of your hole dig.
The rest is ******** piled upon ********. Interesting how deep you're taking this trying to dig your way out of a stupid *** post that was flat out wrong... typical of the reactionary know-it-all types who put their mouth in gear before engaging the brain...
Grab a calculator yourself--see my post earlier. They are at roughly $47mm, Al's at $15mm, cap is somewhere in the $58mm range. Can we do some quick math big boy? So now you're matter of fact post also implies they trade away salary for nothing in return to clear enough space for Jefferson. Under this clever definition of yours, everyone in the league can act like an under the cap team and assume Jefferson's contract. Great work; you want a pat on the back for it?
Before you throw your next flaming bag of dog **** for a post, run along and find out what portion of those non-guaranteed contracts are guaranteed for so you can take those parts out of your endless list of assumptions. "Those things are pretty much known" and it should be too much to ask you to include it in the next level of your hole dig.
theNBAnerd
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umm, if you look, you're the one getting riled up and hurling expletives. calm down and listen for hell's sake and you'll see that, by YOUR OWN INFORMATION that you're posting, i'm right.
if they are at 47M against a cap of 58M by YOUR math, then they can be 11M under the cap by renouncing their rights to two guys who they probably were going to let walk anyway. they could then sign and trade a 4M contract for a 15M contract without going over the cap and/or needing an exception. that's all i was saying.
i don't think it's going to happen, and i never said they would "trade away salary for nothing in return to clear enough space for jefferson." that's a straw man argument right there. i said that they can match on gordon and still have enough room to complete the trade as an under-the-cap team. that's all i said, and it's absolutely correct. i seriously don't get why this is such an emotional debate. all i did was remind that poster (it wasn't even you, for hell's sake!) that NOH is one of several teams that has the freedom and option to clear room and take back uneven salary should they choose to do so.
obviously, its Al being shopped if there's interest in Kaman (where I posted Al+ for Granger in the Al for Collison thread).
I don't like Kaman enough to give him starters $ for our constructed team, as I think he would be our 3rd big (Favors/Paul or Al/Favors).
If Paul or Al is traded, I would like to look at these guys:
3rd Big:
- Brand (if amnestied... may want 3 yrs guaranteed, I'd say no)
- Landry (may want 3yrs +7M, not for my 3rd & not if Enes develops)
- Hickson (no more than 5M/yr +TO... prob gets more elsewhere)
- JHill (same w/ Hickson... hoping Enes develops)
- Memo (2/8M +PO?? Hopefully he wants a reunion, mentor Enes, then slips into our 4th big w/o fuss??)
4th Big:
- Randolph (always intrigued by this guy... 1/4M +PO)
- Kwame (same, 1/4M +PO)
- Foster (1/3M)
- Admundson (1/3M)
- Orton (1/3M +PO)
I don't like Kaman enough to give him starters $ for our constructed team, as I think he would be our 3rd big (Favors/Paul or Al/Favors).
If Paul or Al is traded, I would like to look at these guys:
3rd Big:
- Brand (if amnestied... may want 3 yrs guaranteed, I'd say no)
- Landry (may want 3yrs +7M, not for my 3rd & not if Enes develops)
- Hickson (no more than 5M/yr +TO... prob gets more elsewhere)
- JHill (same w/ Hickson... hoping Enes develops)
- Memo (2/8M +PO?? Hopefully he wants a reunion, mentor Enes, then slips into our 4th big w/o fuss??)
4th Big:
- Randolph (always intrigued by this guy... 1/4M +PO)
- Kwame (same, 1/4M +PO)
- Foster (1/3M)
- Admundson (1/3M)
- Orton (1/3M +PO)
Is there any precedent in the last decade for someone like Kaman (starting quality center/former all-star) getting only $3.5 million a year? Or were we hitting the crack pipe kind of hard this morning?
You should have said this in your first post, right after quoting Manboobs who covered it a page earlier:
It's page four. How did you focus this long?
NotDeadYet
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A few years ago, yes. Always liked Kaveman's game. Unless they trade Jefferson or Kanter, doesn't make sense now.
If we sign Kaman I can nearly guarantee a Sap or Jefferson trade.
NAOS
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just go ahead and guarantee it already.
I always thought it was too bad that he really started getting better when he cut his hair. I also am disappointed that he's never hulked up during a game. He could have been a youtube legend.