Jazz @ Kings 3/22/12 8PM MT Game Thread

[Stifle Tower]

Serious question, are we better with or without Raja Bell?[/QUOTE?

Well, he did contribute mightily in the OT win against Minnesota. But yes, yes we are.

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Jazz were 21-22 with Bell.

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Jazz are 4-0 without Bell.

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Bell = sub .500 record

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Burks playing instead = 1.000 record

Go Burks!

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[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Huge difference between getting a win and playing winning basketball.

Jazz fans have been down this road before. We've seen for a long time this kind of stuff. We've seen the 6-8 seeds.

We don't want that. We're tired of that.

To me, getting some wins before this boring season is over is cool. But i'd rather have some lotto picks to stack up for a championship run than see us getting our butts booted out of the playoffs quickly.

This isn't the D-Will Boozer teams, they weren't going to get any better. This is a new era of Jazz basketball. There are 4 lotto picks already on this team with lots of talent and potential, who have hardly began to tap into the high potential that they have. As they gain more experience and more minutes they will evolve into a very good team, unless they never learn to win as a team or lose confidence unlike the Jazz of the past 6 years this team hasn't reached their ceiling, not even close. This young team reaching the playoffs and being able to have success will help this team more then a lotto pick and becoming even younger and continuing to rebuild.

 

[Powshredder]

jazz win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :d

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This

 

[Weezur]

Serious question, are we better with or without Raja Bell?

I really like Demarre Carrol. He's a low mistake, Good defender (just as good as Bell IMO), type of guy and I love his rebounding and how he's always in position. He's solid off the bench. He's low risk...medium reward.

So yes, IMO, I'd rather have Demarre than Bell.

Burks > Bell...that's a no brainer....

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Lets remember that next time we blow chunks against one of the league's worst teams. Again, keep your perspective. A one point win against the WC's 2nd worst team.

Who had won three in a row...

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

very good win (it was on the road, stop complaining you downers) and LOL @ cousins flop into the basketball hoop in the 4th, face first even.

+Favors continues to play well
+Harris making shots
+Big Al with some big D!

-Settling for bad shots when being 'zoned'
-CJ's newly found defense has gone missing

Road games = Bad CJ.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I really like Demarre Carrol. He's a low mistake, Good defender (just as good as Bell IMO), type of guy and I love his rebounding and how he's always in position. He's solid off the bench. He's low risk...medium reward.

So yes, IMO, I'd rather have Demarre than Bell.

Yeah, I'm guessing when Bell gets back he will have the same role as Carrol (minutes wise) but starting.

 

[Brown Notes]

This isn't the D-Will Boozer teams, they weren't going to get any better. This is a new era of Jazz basketball. There are 4 lotto picks already on this team with lots of talent and potential, who have hardly began to tap into the high potential that they have. As they gain more experience and more minutes they will evolve into a very good team, unless they never learn to win as a team or lose confidence unlike the Jazz of the past 6 years this team hasn't reached their ceiling, not even close. This young team reaching the playoffs and being able to have success will help this team more then a lotto pick and becoming even younger and continuing to rebuild.

Seriously. We are watching this team achieve an identity. This is a very young team. A very new coach. The people that want instant gratification might want to take a look at the Simmons' article thread. What Utah is doing is building an atmosphere of winning within a team concept.

Corbin is doing a superb job.

 

[davidbenoit]

very good win (it was on the road, stop complaining you downers) and LOL @ cousins flop into the basketball hoop in the 4th, face first even.

+Favors continues to play well
+Harris making shots
+Big Al with some big D!

-Settling for bad shots when being 'zoned'
-CJ's newly found defense has gone missing

This event alone made this game great

 

[Stifle Tower]

I want a link for who placed us in LAST place in the CONFERENCE. Please, provide some links.

Amick over at SI not only picked the Jazz for last in the division, he picked them for last in the LEAGUE!

7. Worst record

AMICK: Jazz. Utah lost 17 of its last 25 games after Deron Williams was traded to New Jersey last February, and there's no reason to think that trend won't continue. The continued development of young forward Derrick Favors should help. But as general manager Kevin O'Connor decides whether to trade some of his biggest contracts (power forward Paul Millsap and forward-center Al Jefferson tops among them, after Thursday's trade of Mehmet Okur to New Jersey), the Jazz will struggle mightily.

Read more: https://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/basketball/nba/12/22/crystal.ball/index.html#ixzz1puiEY0UR


Here's one from the veteran beat writer for the Bulls. Last in the division.
ww.nba.com/bulls/news/sam-smiths-2011-12-nba-preview-and-predictions.html

Liar, liar pants on fire with this one from ESPN. Jazz were predicted to finish NEXT to last ahead of the Wolves
https://espn.go.com/nba/preview2011/story/_/id/7392344/nba-winter-forecast-west-standings


In short, not too many people thought the Jazz would even sniff .500. Be happy, the team is doing better than expected, KOC has Utah in a good position financially, and the Jazz have some assets to further improve the team going forward.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6cxNR9ML8k

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Amick over at SI not only picked the Jazz for last in the division, he picked them for last in the LEAGUE!

AMICK: Jazz. Utah lost 17 of its last 25 games after Deron Williams was traded to New Jersey last February, and there's no reason to think that trend won't continue. The continued development of young forward Derrick Favors should help. But as general manager Kevin O'Connor decides whether to trade some of his biggest contracts (power forward Paul Millsap and forward-center Al Jefferson tops among them, after Thursday's trade of Mehmet Okur to New Jersey), the Jazz will struggle mightily.


Read more: https://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/basketball/nba/12/22/crystal.ball/index.html#ixzz1puiEY0UR

Sounds like he expected us to trade Sap or Jefferson.

 

[Weezur]

Yeah, I'm guessing when Bell gets back he will have the same role as Carrol (minutes wise) but starting.

Pretty much the only thing Bell has over Carrol is a shot...but that has been off since his injury. After that, Bell doesn't rebound like Carrol does...so Carrol gets the edge.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Pretty much the only thing Bell has over Carrol is a shot...but that has been off since his injury. After that, Bell doesn't rebound like Carrol does...so Carrol gets the edge.

That shot can be pretty important though. Yeah, that is pretty much all Bell has, but it is also the biggest thing the Jazz lack. Bell in February was lights out.

 

[Brown Notes]

Pretty much the only thing Bell has over Carrol is a shot...but that has been off since his injury. After that, Bell doesn't rebound like Carrol does...so Carrol gets the edge.

He also has vet scouting and flop ability.

 

[Sneakers]

Who's the idiot bitching about this win?

This was a huge win... are you kidding me? We were on the brink of complete confidence and momentum implosion and managed to keep it rolling... very much in the thick of things. Win is a win.

You know how when we lose there's people who still look for the silver lining? It's like the opposite of that with some of you guys... you look for the poo colored lining in any win.

 

[Weezur]

He also has vet scouting and flop ability.

That's what I forgot.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Who's the idiot bitching about this win?

This was a huge win... are you kidding me? We were on the brink of complete confidence and momentum implosion and managed to keep it rolling... very much in the thick of things. Win is a win.

You know how when we lose there's people who still look for the silver lining? It's like the opposite of that with some of you guys... you look for the poo colored lining in any win.

Well put.

 

[Zombie]

Cool. And it's 5th worst in the WC too.

https://espn.go.com/nba/standings/_/sort/homeWinPercent



Did you even read my post? WHERE were those shots taken? That was my beef with CJ tonight.



Poor execution and shooting against the zone led to Sactown's fast breaks.

I get it, it was a W. But that's not as important as the WAY you play. Our frontline not getting to the FT line is concerning, how is it not? CJ playing mostly on the perimeter is concerning, how is it not? Lack of execution and shooting in the 4th, how is this not concerning?

I for one expect more. I remember when we missed out on the playoffs during the 03-04 season. The thing is, we were playing the right way. Played hard, executed to the best of our abilities, shared the ball around, and played tough D.

This team is so inconsistent. they play up and down to the level of their competition.

This has got to be one of the most baffling things I've seen posted here. I'll take an actual victory over a moral one any day.

 

[Stifle Tower]

 

[gregbroncs]

How come nobody complains about Millsap? His defense has become pathetic. He was guarding chandler when he went off on the Jazz. He was guarding Thompson in the 1st quarter when he carried the kings. He was seriously dominating Millsap in the 1st quarter.