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Handlogten's Heros said:
Kewl... he will be at the 905 now that they went and upgraded and got guys that are more ready to help them win now.
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OK, but they will have Siakim for the next 3 years plus his rights in RFA. He has given them good minutes and he has been a valuable asset to them. Rookies are important and they can fill niche roles on your team and contribute to winning. Rookies can be NBA ready on good team if you put them in the right roles. You just seem super butt-hurt because Utah didnt waste a first round pick on a half year rental somewhere.
 
I'm convinced Jonathan Motley is NBA ready and could give us solid 10 mpg as a backup center next year for instance, while having potential for a bigger role if Favors ever leaves.
 
I wonder if Spurs fans are bitching they didnt trade their draft picks for rentals? Or are they smart enough to know how valuable these picks are to creating sustained success?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Donatas Sabonis has also provided solid minutes to a playoff team.
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Pretty sure his team just got an upgrade too... some teams win in spite of playing young players... not because of them. Exum took up minutes his rookie year, but we'd have been much better with an average nba vet.

Not saying any of these guys won't provide value, but if we are drafting with the though to filling a rotation spot the year we draft the guy I think we will be really disappointed.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Pretty sure his team just got an upgrade too... some teams win in spite of playing young players... not because of them. Exum took up minutes his rookie year, but we'd have been much better with an average nba vet.

Not saying any of these guys won't provide value, but if we are drafting with the though to filling a rotation spot the year we draft the guy I think we will be really disappointed.
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Do you think trading these picks now holds more value than trading them in the offseason?
 
Sabonis is only playing because Kanter sucks at defense and Durant left.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Pretty sure his team just got an upgrade too... some teams win in spite of playing young players... not because of them. Exum took up minutes his rookie year, but we'd have been much better with an average nba vet.

Not saying any of these guys won't provide value, but if we are drafting with the though to filling a rotation spot the year we draft the guy I think we will be really disappointed.
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Yes, because when you draft any player it's with a singular thought. The FO has clearly displayed they dont think out their draft picks at all. We especially suck at drafting in the 20's? Why did we take a player labeled as "NBA Ready" in Rodney Hood? That was a huge mistake. And that huge bust we took at 27? God, why did we use that pick in the draft? We should have traded it for a 1 year rental.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I wonder if Spurs fans are bitching they didnt trade their draft picks for rentals? Or are they smart enough to know how valuable these picks are to creating sustained success?
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They don't have extra second round picks (that they sell every year) and excess cap space (because they use their cap space for... get this... players).

They are also a lot better than that and to switch out their biggest position of need they would need to bench a franchise icon.
 
MDAV28 said:
Do you think trading these picks now holds more value than trading them in the offseason?
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I was only advocating second round picks, but year traditionally picks cost less to acquire on draft night it seems. Many of our second rounders over the years have been sold for cash.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Yes, because when you draft any player it's with a singular thought. The FO has clearly displayed they dont think out their draft picks at all. We especially suck at drafting in the 20's? Why did we take a player labeled as "NBA Ready" in Rodney Hood? That was a huge mistake. And that huge bust we took at 27? God, why did we use that pick in the draft? We should have traded it for a 1 year rental.
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You said you wondered if that would be their strategy... to go in looking for NBA ready... I'm merely pointing out that is likely a draft fallacy. Hood was not very good his rookie year... we drafted him because he was the best player available not because he was nba ready.

Rudy Gobert was a high potential pick dickface... Not NBA ready at all... a project if you will.

We have been good in the draft... I never said we should trade our first rounder in any of the deals today... but keep debating the side points that you set up that no one really said.

I'm taking a break from Jazzfanz for a while... this **** is ridiculous.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I was only advocating second round picks, but year traditionally picks cost less to acquire on draft night it seems. Many of our second rounders over the years have been sold for cash.
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Oh didn't notice the conversation was only second-round picks, my bad. I will admit, I question the perceived value of second-rounders to teams sometimes. We saw 2 of our 3 go poof last draft and Bolomboy, although looks like an actual prospect, was just 1 of the 3. I believe if the NBA expands rosters to allow more players to be "owned" in the D-League, second-rounders would be of more value and it would make more sense to me but right now I scratch my head a little at collecting these picks and using them to just bring people into camp.
 
Hekate said:
Sabonis is only playing because Kanter sucks at defense and Durant left.
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They seem to be making a dedicated effort in developing him. He's a little better than his stats indicate. They start him so face the toughest lineups out there.
 
MDAV28 said:
Oh didn't notice the conversation was only second-round picks, my bad. I will admit, I question the perceived value of second-rounders to teams sometimes. We saw 2 of our 3 go poof last draft and Bolomboy, although looks like an actual prospect, was just 1 of the 3. I believe if the NBA expands rosters to allow more players to be "owned" in the D-League, second-rounders would be of more value and it would make more sense to me but right now I scratch my head a little at collecting these picks and using them to just bring people into camp.
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Nikola Jokic was a 2nd round pick.

Paul Millsap was a 2nd round pick.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
You said you wondered if that would be their strategy... to go in looking for NBA ready... I'm merely pointing out that is likely a draft fallacy. Hood was not very good his rookie year... we drafted him because he was the best player available not because he was nba ready.

Rudy Gobert was a high potential pick dickface... Not NBA ready at all... a project if you will.

We have been good in the draft... I never said we should trade our first rounder in any of the deals today... but keep debating the side points that you set up that no one really said.

I'm taking a break from Jazzfanz for a while... this **** is ridiculous.
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Yes, in hindsight Hood was clearly BPA, but at the time some people would have said the more "potential" laden Bruno Cabocolo would have been the better pick. You can say being NBA ready had nothing to do with it, but I'm certain it did to some extent. Hood had NBA ready skills that needed less development time than some other players in the projected range.

And high potential and nba ready arent mutually exclusive descriptors.

And yes, you should take a break. Your pessimism is pretty laughable when you realize how good our team has been and you want to mortgage off assets for players that would, at best, marginally improve our team for a short term rental. At worst they would hurt our team as they naturally progress through the season.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Nikola Jokic was a 2nd round pick.

Paul Millsap was a 2nd round pick.
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Sure I get that, there's been many 2nd round picks that make it and there's been undrafted players that make it. Do you think it's really a crap shoot, so loading up 2nd round picks is that valuable? Or were these players targets of successful scouting? I'm not sure but were both these players picked with the team's own and only second round pick?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Nikola Jokic was a 2nd round pick.

Paul Millsap was a 2nd round pick.
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Ummm We had a pick in the 30s the same draft Jokic was selected in the 40s traded it for cash and a worse second round pick in a later draft... but yeah keep hoarding dem picks... they are irreplaceable come draft night.

Mic drop... I'm out.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Ummm We had a pick in the 30s the same draft Jokic was selected in the 40s traded it for cash and a worse second round pick in a later draft... but yeah keep hoarding dem picks... they are irreplaceable come draft night.

Mic drop... I'm out.
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Great mic drop. Because we missed on a player in the 2nd round that means we should give up on the 2nd round. Great logic bud, go drink some more salt water and cry about not trading for player X that could have clearly won us a playoff series. Jazz team is screwed, give up on the jazz.
 
And back to my original statement of looking at the NBA ready late 1st round picks like Peters/Motley/Hart. I never said the sole reason to draft these guys was because they were NBA ready, I like them as prospects just like I liked Rodney Hood as a prospect. It's not just 1 thing, it's multiple things. But of course people like HH are just looking for salt anywhere they can get it.
 
2nd round picks have added value imo with the increase to 17 roster spots, I believe starting next year.
 
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