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GVC said:
Do you think Pops has been doing the wrong thing bringing Manu off the bench?
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I think he would be good as a starter.
 
LunaticWolf said:
You guys really want to give then a career ending injury by forcing them to play 40+ a game, huh.
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I once saw a player get injured when he didnt play 40 minutes
 
GVC said:
That's not what I asked.
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Well obviously pop is a great coach so its tough to criticize anything he does.
Corbin on the other hand.....
Maybe if pop started manu throughout his career the sours would have 6 championships
There is no way to know for sure
 
LunaticWolf said:
There's a point that the exponential risk outweighs the decreasing linear reward. There is a reason players top out at 36-37 minutes.
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I see
 
LunaticWolf said:
There's a point that the exponential risk outweighs the decreasing linear reward.
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What makes you think the risk is exponential and the reward linear? No matter how two functions increase and decrease (respectively), it's possible that they intersect/don't intersect. Odd.
 
fishonjazz said:
Well obviously pop is a great coach so its tough to criticize anything he does.
Corbin on the other hand.....
Maybe if pop started manu throughout his career the sours would have 6 championships
There is no way to know for sure
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Honestly fish, this is such a brutal answer.


People complaining about Burks's role on this team has got to be one of the most ruh-tarded things of this season. I advocated for him to come off the bench before the season started, and I'm glad that he has been playing so well under this role. Kanters minutes have SOME merit (maybe if he could ****ing play a lick of defense....) but the Burks **** is so off base IMO
 
dalamon said:
Honestly fish, this is such a brutal answer.


People complaining about Burks's role on this team has got to be one of the most ruh-tarded things of this season. I advocated for him to come off the bench before the season started, and I'm glad that he has been playing so well under this role. Kanters minutes have SOME merit (maybe if he could ****ing play a lick of defense....) but the Burks **** is so off base IMO
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Sorry but burks has always came off the bench and played less minutes than less talented players.

Happening again this year
I dont like it.

Keep bringing him off the bench but his minutes should NEVER be less than jeffys and he actually AVERAGES less mpg than jeffy.

I shall continue to bitch..... might as well get used to it.

I bet if john lucas, or tinsley, or garret or mo williams or ear watson etc etc were averaging more minutes than burke, then we might hear you bitchin too eh?
 
dalamon said:
Honestly fish, this is such a brutal answer.


People complaining about Burks's role on this team has got to be one of the most ruh-tarded things of this season. I advocated for him to come off the bench before the season started, and I'm glad that he has been playing so well under this role. Kanters minutes have SOME merit (maybe if he could ****ing play a lick of defense....) but the Burks **** is so off base IMO
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I think Burks should be getting 2-4 more minutes per game (from Jefferson), but agree that bringing him off the bench is ideal. His minutes are not so low that I think it's a problem (or affects his development). He's getting ample opportunity to initiate the offense off the bench and play late in 4th quarters both on- and off-ball.

Kanter's been playing more with Favors the last 8 games (this is partly due to matchups), and is finally looking comfortable and confident. His defense last night, I think, was very good. His good play has become consistent enough (albeit still over a fairly small sample) that I won't be surprised if Corbin starts increasing his minutes. I do think it's important that Kanter shows he can play well for a stretch of games (not just a handful of minutes or one or two games), doing the things the coaches ask, before his role and playing time are increased. I'm not convinced that good performance over a few minutes or a game or two are more predictive of future success than a stretch of games.
 
GVC said:
What makes you think the risk is exponential and the reward linear? No matter how two functions increase and decrease (respectively), it's possible that they intersect/don't intersect. Odd.
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It isn't initially, but once you hit a certain level of exertion, it definitely becomes exponential. Tired players are more likely to make bad decisions, and they not longer have the reaction, lift, etc to do what they are used to bring able to do, increasing strain.

Production per minute tends to decrease as you play more minutes.

Does it matter if they intersect or not? That is something that would be chosen by a player/coach. How much do you value risk?

Clearly they have chosen because hardly anyone plays 40+ for a season.
 
LunaticWolf said:
It isn't initially, but once you hit a certain level of exertion, it definitely becomes exponential. Tired players are more likely to make bad decisions, and they not longer have the reaction, lift, etc to do what they are used to bring able to do, increasing strain.

Production per minute tends to decrease as you play more minutes.
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The point is you've made a simple idea more complex without adding any value. It's ostentatious and completely unnecessary (and stupid if communication is your goal).
 
GVC said:
I think Burks should be getting 2-4 more minutes per game (from Jefferson), but agree that bringing him off the bench is ideal. His minutes are not so low that I think it's a problem (or affects his development). He's getting ample opportunity to initiate the offense off the bench and play late in 4th quarters both on- and off-ball.

Kanter's been playing more with Favors the last 8 games (this is partly due to matchups), and is finally looking comfortable and confident. His defense last night, I think, was very good. His good play has become consistent enough (albeit still over a fairly small sample) that I won't be surprised if Corbin starts increasing his minutes. I do think it's important that Kanter shows he can play well for a stretch of games (not just a handful of minutes or one or two games), doing the things the coaches ask, before his role and playing time are increased. I'm not convinced that good performance over a few minutes or a game or two are more predictive of future success than a stretch of games.
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This
 
GVC said:
The point is you've made a simple idea more complex without adding any value. It's ostentatious and completely unnecessary (and stupid if communication is your goal).
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I don't see anything wrong with using technical terminology. Seems to be a pretty effective way to stop contextomies around here.
 
LunaticWolf said:
I don't see anything wrong with using technical terminology. Seems to be a pretty effective way to stop contextomies around here.
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meh. There are those of us who value communication above ostentation. As previously stated, your use of those terms added no value to the point you were making. Just a pet peeve of mine. Carry on.
 
Sexual Favors said:
Kanter needs his minutes back. Develop him. Give him green light to shoot some 3's.

Develop Burks.

If the FO doesn't want this to be a wasted season (subpar draft pick/ less than expected player development), then the starting line from here on out should be Burke, Burks, Hayward, Kanter, Favors w/ Rudy, Marvin, and Jeremy being 6-7-8 men.

We seriously need to stop showcasing RJ under this pretense that we can flip him for a second round pick. The future would be better served by developing our own guys.

The argument is that:

1. A lineup of Hayward, Burke, and Burks won't work because it's too many ball handlers, but I think that is exactly why it would work. gordon and Alec are also excellent slashers, so while one is handling the ball, the other two could be slashing to the hoop for buckets or drop offs, or to the perimiter to get open 3's or draw the defense in to free up easy post passes.
2. They say Derrick and Enes don't play as well together, but I don't think they've been given enough time. Kanter has such a nice shooting stroke, I don't see why He couldn't be given the green light to stretch it on offense, while also playing in the post on other posessions. I think the reason why it hasn't worked so far is because Favors was taking a lot of jumpers out by the FT line at start of season, and so was Kanter, so there was no space, but that shot isn't the prime of either on of their games--kanter can stretch farther and also bang inside, and favors can dunk on people at will. The reason why it hasn't worked has more to do with the coaches not showing them how their games compliment eachother. Kanter can create space for Favors, or be a second wrecking ball with Favors inside dominating the glass-- they can't both be at FT line shooing jumpers.

I truly believe our young core has games that compliment each other, but haven't been given the opportunity to iron out the kinks together. Such a disservice, such a waste. They will struggle as they learn together, which would only help our draft stock. Can't understand why the FO is sitting idly by.

I got my pitchfork, who's coming with me!
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On the infamous "we owe RJ a lot" interview, DL addressed Enes and Favors situation and why they are not playing more together. Basically, he said that Enes and DF were not defending well, especially Kanter, who was a little lost (honestly, he was atrocious). Also, spacing had been a big issue on offense because Kanter's outside shot is still inconsistent. He mentioned that the Jazz believe Enes will play better defense and develop a 3, just like Memo. If I remember correctly, he talked how hard is to put 5 young guys on the floor and expect them to play good basketball. Thats when he praised Marvin for his veteran leadership and floor spacing. Here is the link for the interview:

https://1280thezone.com/index.php/a...ow_utah_jazz_general_manager_dennis_lindsey20
 
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