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LoPo said:
Why one more year? Another postseason like this, Don demands out, we are paying Rudy a fortune, and we are Minnesota for the foreseeable future.
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It's why I laugh at the jazz local media. Listening to DJ and PK.. "it's all good because we have donovan" uhhhh... homeboy is demanding a trade if we don't make the conference finals next year.
 
There are lots of great players right now besides Donovan who may never get a ring
Some of them demanded trades and got them
They still have not won a ring
Most of them will not get a ring no matter what they do
Hopefully Donovan stays and gets his ring here
 
LoPo said:
I think he's fine as the 5th best starter. The guy can do a decent job guarding 1-4 and he shoots around 40% from 3. He also knows his role so he doesn't try to do too much.
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Good and needed rebounder too.
Plays hard as hell as well which could rub off on others

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Here is about the best you can hope for... This scenario puts us at like $40M in tax... going deeper than this with the Mini MLE (3 years 18M) is not something I think we do.

-Re-sign Mike.. I think 3 years and $60M with the final year only like 4-5M guaranteed. That way he gets like 45M-50M for two years but we can spread the cap hit a little. Its clearly better than the MLE a ring chasing team will offer and I doubt Dallas or some other cap team goes above that... If they do in a meaningful way then we screwed.
-Trade Favs for DJJ from Portland. We likely have to add a second or something small. They needed a better backup center... DJJ ended up out of the rotation... they may just say no but I think its kinda fair. Udoka becomes your backup... baptism by fire.
-Trade the 30th pick on draft night for a pick in the 40s and another future second rounder... why do this? So you can save 1.2-1.3M in salary which saves about $6-7M in real dollars for a guy that is unlikely to contribute right away anyway.
-Sign a guy to a minimum deal that misses out on bigger money. Just like Torrey Craig last year.
-Offer Niang the minimum... if he walks then fine.
-Sign a minimum young guy with some potential (Jarred Vanderbilt, Keita Bates, Tyler Bey) and hope they flourish.

You then start the season and see how it goes... if it is working you roll... if it still seems lacking you likely look to move JC or Bojan for budget versions of themselves so that you can cut the tax.

There is another potential pivot if you get a guy like Rudy Gay to take your mini MLE you could flip Bojan for something cheaper that fills a different need. Like say to Dallas for Maxi Kleber (they use their cap space to do an uneven trade). Not saying I like or would do that move... just saying that's the type of budget deck chair shuffling we could see.
 
I'm dabbling with a Bojan three team trade... something like...

Utah out - Bojan
Utah in - Warren, Mcdaniels

Cha out: Hayward
Cha in: Turner and Bojan

Indiana out: Turner and Warren
Indian in: Hayward

Charlotte can take a little extra salary back. If TJ is healthy (a big if) maybe he is the better iso scorer and can still provide the spacing we need. His defense really improved since he moved to Indiana... the guy is perpetually hurt... so kinda scary. He's a little cheaper and I like McDaniels as a backup. Maybe clears enough in the budget to use the mini mle.

These are the type of deals I think you are looking at... ya kinda have to squint and ya say "well, if player x stays healthy or figures it out or needs a change of scenery". Its the type of moves we really don't do... we very much prefer the known and it has to be an obvious upgrade to do a deal.
 
(1) If Conley comes back, I expect some sort of trade to shed salary elsewhere (Ingles, Bogey, Clarkson, Fav);
(2) If Conley doesn’t come back, I expect some sort of trade to re-work the roster (again Ingles, Bogey, Clarkson, Fav on the block).

I think it’s most likely our pick is used in a trade, probably as a sweetener.

It sure seems much more likely that we either get worse this offseason or go to luxury tax hell to stay the exact same than it does that we get better. Good luck to DL and Zanik getting themselves out of this mess they’ve made.
 
I did some perusing on the Pacers RealGM board and the names that are floated most often for trading are Malcolm Brogdon and Myles Turner. For whatever that is worth.
 
Ineptimusprime said:
(1) If Conley comes back, I expect some sort of trade to shed salary elsewhere (Ingles, Bogey, Clarkson, Fav);
(2) If Conley doesn’t come back, I expect some sort of trade to re-work the roster (again Ingles, Bogey, Clarkson, Fav on the block).

I think it’s most likely our pick is used in a trade, probably as a sweetener.

It sure seems much more likely that we either get worse this offseason or go to luxury tax hell to stay the exact same than it does that we get better. Good luck to DL and Zanik getting themselves out of this mess they’ve made.
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this is it... basically. And before you say Ryan will cut the check... that check will be like $50M on top of whatever the salary is for next year. Not many owners in big market teams cut that check... and not many do so for a second round playoff team.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I did some perusing on the Pacers RealGM board and the names that are floated most often for trading are Malcolm Brogdon and Myles Turner. For whatever that is worth.
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I really really doubt we consider trading Rudy unless they bring a new GM in. I'm not a big fan of the player Myles Turner, but always loved the idea of the player Myles Turner. A three teamer with Rudy to Charlotte, Turner and Brogdon (and sweetners) to Utah, Hayward to Indiana is probably about the best we'd do.

Brogdon is a smart dude but sometimes I get the vibes he's a little high maintenance... probably totally unfair on my part. Has nothing to do with politics... just heard stuff like he left milwaukee to have the ball in his hands and some stuff about him and Victor not loving sharing the ball... its stuck in the back of my mind but I mostly really love the fit there next to Donovan.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I did some perusing on the Pacers RealGM board and the names that are floated most often for trading are Malcolm Brogdon and Myles Turner. For whatever that is worth.
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I live in Indy and the Radio guys pretty much guarantee Turner is gone. Fans don't like Brogdon, but I think the organization loves him and won't move him.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I really really doubt we consider trading Rudy unless they bring a new GM in. I'm not a big fan of the player Myles Turner, but always loved the idea of the player Myles Turner. A three teamer with Rudy to Charlotte, Turner and Brogdon (and sweetners) to Utah, Hayward to Indiana is probably about the best we'd do.

Brogdon is a smart dude but sometimes I get the vibes he's a little high maintenance... probably totally unfair on my part. Has nothing to do with politics... just heard stuff like he left milwaukee to have the ball in his hands and some stuff about him and Victor not loving sharing the ball... its stuck in the back of my mind but I mostly really love the fit there next to Donovan.
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I'd like to think that the spacing and change of scene would liberate Turner somewhat, and that Brogdon's a perfect secondary ballhandler (and that his totally mediocre time in Indiana might have worked that bug out if it indeed even exists).
 
SoberasHotRod said:
I live in Indy and the Radio guys pretty much guarantee Turner is gone. Fans don't like Brogdon, but I think the organization loves him and won't move him.
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Based on some of the things these posters say about what Pritchard has said the organization is looking for (yep), it doesn't look like Brogdon is the best fit (he's not a vocal leader or firebrand-type [I think that is perfect here, IMO]).
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I really really doubt we consider trading Rudy unless they bring a new GM in. I'm not a big fan of the player Myles Turner, but always loved the idea of the player Myles Turner. A three teamer with Rudy to Charlotte, Turner and Brogdon (and sweetners) to Utah, Hayward to Indiana is probably about the best we'd do.

Brogdon is a smart dude but sometimes I get the vibes he's a little high maintenance... probably totally unfair on my part. Has nothing to do with politics... just heard stuff like he left milwaukee to have the ball in his hands and some stuff about him and Victor not loving sharing the ball... its stuck in the back of my mind but I mostly really love the fit there next to Donovan.
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I've watched 0 Pacers games outside of when they play the Jazz, but do catch the local Indy radio shows at times. From what I hear Brogdon is super high maintenence and basically the reason why both McMillan and Bjorkgren were fired. They also complain about his sieve like defense, putting up no resistence on the permiter.
 
Ineptimusprime said:
(1) If Conley comes back, I expect some sort of trade to shed salary elsewhere (Ingles, Bogey, Clarkson, Fav);
(2) If Conley doesn’t come back, I expect some sort of trade to re-work the roster (again Ingles, Bogey, Clarkson, Fav on the block).

I think it’s most likely our pick is used in a trade, probably as a sweetener.

It sure seems much more likely that we either get worse this offseason or go to luxury tax hell to stay the exact same than it does that we get better. Good luck to DL and Zanik getting themselves out of this mess they’ve made.
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I’m expecting the scenario 2 you outlined is most likely. In any event, good analysis on your part.
 
NUMBERICA said:
In any case, if they can trade Favors for less (or no) returning salary without sending a 1st, that should be priority #1. Either that saves the team dozens of millions of dollars in LT payments, or it allows the Jazz to use the full MLE this offseason.
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Can't believe they signed him for 3 years with no team option on the third year. That two years 18 million is going to be almost impossible to unload this offseason.
 


Have the Jazz ever fielded two summer league teams? Does this foreshadow a “hunger games” and potential purge on the back half of the roster?

To me, suggests the Jazz want to try a bunch of guys out to see if we can find the next Royce.
 
It’s gonna be pretty tough for the Jazz to manage this offseason.

We kinda need to have a really good idea of what Mike is going to do and what we are going to do with Mike on draft day, so we can make other moves if needed. Draft day will be the best chance to make a salary shedding move if that’s what we are doing.
 
I think Rudy to Charlotte makes a ton of sense for these reasons:

- They are desperate to be relevant

- They really want a franchise big man

- They have loads of cap space

- They have 2 great facilitating PG's (LaMelo and Graham)

- They have struck out on picks in the past so using them to get a certain thing is worth it

- We could potentially do this deal and save major luxury dollars

I propose Rudy
for
Rozier, Bridges, Washington, 2022 1st rounder, a 1st rounder a few years down the road and unprotected, and maybe other draft considerations.
 
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