Jazz Offseason Plan

[LoPo]

Zero chance we re-sign Conley if we get Lonzo. Lonzo is the replacement plan. Clarkson/Favors/30 would certainly help with cap relief.

If Lonzo signed for 20M we would be comfortably under the luxury cap by around 8M. Anything less than that and it goes up by more which is a plus.

Clarkson/Favors/30 for Lonzo and then use the full MLE to bring in a wing. That might be realistic best case scenario for us.

I was just wanting to re-sign Conley so we would have an asset. But you're right, he's probably gone.

I don't think we can trade #30 for Lonzo because free agency is after the draft right? We would be drafting a player well before Lonzo could even negotiate with us right?

 

[LoPo]

We can't accept a player that is signed and traded. We will be over the apron... even if Mike leaves we'd be close. I'm not sure what's really in it for them but they did do the Adams deal last summer which made no damn sense.

So we can't legally do it, or we shouldn't do it because it hard caps us?

 

[Elizah Huge]

We can't accept a player that is signed and traded. We will be over the apron... even if Mike leaves we'd be close. I'm not sure what's really in it for them but they did do the Adams deal last summer which made no damn sense.

We most definitely can if we send some salary out as well.

The apron is around 140M.

We are sitting at around 130M without Conley.

Clarkson and Favors combine for 22M.

We could send Clarkson/Favors out and take back 22M at the most while still being under the luxury tax by 6M and the apron by 10M.

 

[LoPo]

For some reason, everything I see with Lonzo rumors are sign-and-trades. Griffen isn't going to lose him for nothing since Lonzo is a restricted free agent. I don't know if Griffen wants to keep Lonzo long term so a trade makes sense.

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[Elizah Huge]

Well we can’t use the MLE if we take someone back in a sign-and-trade so that is something we need to think about as well.

 

[LoPo]

Well we can’t use the MLE if we take someone back in a sign-and-trade so that is something we need to think about as well.

So is it possible for us to sign and trade Conley out

then

Sign and trade Lonzo in?

Two separate deals

 

[Elizah Huge]

So is it possible for us to sign and trade Conley out

then

Sign and trade Lonzo in?

Two separate deals

I think so but we couldn’t take back more than like 8M in the Conley deal if we wanted to stay under the luxury tax.

So essentially use whatever we get back from a Conley trade as our MLE.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

We most definitely can if we send some salary out as well.

The apron is around 140M.

We are sitting at around 130M without Conley.

Clarkson and Favors combine for 22M.

We could send Clarkson/Favors out and take back 22M at the most while still being under the luxury tax by 6M and the apron by 10M.

We are at 136M without Conley. Do the sign and trade and you are at 136M with like 11ish players... you could fill out the roster maybe but likely need to move some stuff around.

I just don't think he wants to come here and the mechanics would get pretty tough to make it all work. I also don't think Lonzo minus Conley, JC, Favs makes us better. Its an okay option if Mike leaves and NY isn't rolling out 25M for Lonzo I guess.

 

[Eminence]

Ideas on the easiest way to get Kyle Anderson as our starting 4 next season?

Assuming Mitchell/O'Neale/Gobert aren't moved.

 

[LoPo]

We are at 136M without Conley. Do the sign and trade and you are at 136M with like 11ish players... you could fill out the roster maybe but likely need to move some stuff around.

I just don't think he wants to come here and the mechanics would get pretty tough to make it all work. I also don't think Lonzo minus Conley, JC, Favs makes us better. Its an okay option if Mike leaves and NY isn't rolling out 25M for Lonzo I guess.

If you look at the 2nd round of the playoffs, Lonzo for Conley, Clarkson and Favors would have been an improvement for us. I think we need to look at next year AND think about the next 3 or 4 years. Lonzo is a foundational piece with Don.

We would struggle to find another good player, but our playoff starting lineup is so much better with Lonzo, Don, Royce, Bojan and Rudy. Joe back as 6th man.

 

[Elizah Huge]

We are at 136M without Conley. Do the sign and trade and you are at 136M with like 11ish players... you could fill out the roster maybe but likely need to move some stuff around.

I just don't think he wants to come here and the mechanics would get pretty tough to make it all work. I also don't think Lonzo minus Conley, JC, Favs makes us better. Its an okay option if Mike leaves and NY isn't rolling out 25M for Lonzo I guess.

What am I missing… I’m seeing our salary at 130M without Conley.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If you look at the 2nd round of the playoffs, Lonzo for Conley, Clarkson and Favors would have been an improvement for us. I think we need to look at next year AND think about the next 3 or 4 years. Lonzo is a foundational piece with Don.

We would struggle to find another good player, but our starting lineup is so much better with Lonzo, Don, Royce, Bojan and Rudy. Joe back as 6th man.

If you assume Mike is out then yes Lonzo might be an improvement over JC (who was up and down). I don't know that you can assume that with Lonzo anymore than you can with Mike. He misses a bunch of games every year.

 

[Elizah Huge]

We are at 136M without Conley. Do the sign and trade and you are at 136M with like 11ish players... you could fill out the roster maybe but likely need to move some stuff around.

I just don't think he wants to come here and the mechanics would get pretty tough to make it all work. I also don't think Lonzo minus Conley, JC, Favs makes us better. Its an okay option if Mike leaves and NY isn't rolling out 25M for Lonzo I guess.

Well if Conley leaves then it’s just Clarkson/Favors for Lonzo and I’d do that without thinking twice.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

What am I missing… I’m seeing our salary at 130M without Conley.

11 players puts us at 134M plus the 30th pick takes us to 136M. Some of those non-guaranteed deals can be waived but you have to get to 13 players.

 

[LoPo]

Well if Conley leaves then it’s just Clarkson/Favors for Lonzo and I’d do that without thinking twice.

That's what I was really looking at. If Mike wants to go to a contender, he'll have his shot. If he wants to go to a contender and get paid, he'll need our help.

 

[Elizah Huge]

11 players puts us at 134M plus the 30th pick takes us to 136M. Some of those non-guaranteed deals can be waived but you have to get to 13 players.

So we try to get Lonzo around 18-20M and slide in under the luxury tax.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Well if Conley leaves then it’s just Clarkson/Favors for Lonzo and I’d do that without thinking twice.

I don't think they do though... and I think he might just chance it and sign with NY or another team for that type of money. With sign and trades the guys either have to be out of options to get the money they want or you have to be the preferred destination. I just don't think its realistic at all.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I don't think they do though... and I think he might just chance it and sign with NY or another team for that type of money. With sign and trades the guys either have to be out of options to get the money they want or you have to be the preferred destination. I just don't think its realistic at all.

We’re looking at all options here HH… please don’t kill the vibe with being the voice of reason on it being realistic. It works under the cap and it’s for the amount he will probably sign for so let us have our idea.

 

[LoPo]

I don't think they do though... and I think he might just chance it and sign with NY or another team for that type of money. With sign and trades the guys either have to be out of options to get the money they want or you have to be the preferred destination. I just don't think its realistic at all.

I don't know how we make it happen, but Lonzo needs to be on the list of priorities. If there is any way to make it happen, we should. He fits next to Don. Maybe NOLA likes Bojan as a floor spacer for Zion and Ingram.

 

[LoPo]

I don't think they do though... and I think he might just chance it and sign with NY or another team for that type of money. With sign and trades the guys either have to be out of options to get the money they want or you have to be the preferred destination. I just don't think its realistic at all.

And part of the equation is NOLA matching. If some team like NY wants to come in and just sign him, NOLA can be like "screw you we're just gonna match". But when Lonzo's people communicate with NOLA that they have a team willing to spend XYZ money on Lonzo, that's when they negotiate S&T deals.

We seem to have a decent relationship with Griffen because we've traded with him a handful of times over the years.