LoPo
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Says the same guy who said that Conley was "way, way" better than Jrue Holiday.
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Jazz Offseason Plan
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Hearsky
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You act like the Jazz have nothing besides DM. Let me remind you that DM played with TWO all stars this year, while DB played with his first all star ever. Plus, the Jazz had the sixth man of the year and the runner up. Plus, didn't DM play with Crowder before? Again, I am not saying DB is better than DM, but it better debate than you want to admit.
Ineptimusprime
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What’s a big move? Moving Ingles, Clarkson, and/or especially Bogey doesn’t strike me as that “big” of a move. Swapping out a starter and rotation guy or two is just what you do when you flame out in the playoffs early. Tinker with it. Try something new.
Unless we knock the draft out of the park, or you think a couple aging, budget 3&D guys that likely won’t be in Quin’s playoff rotation if Bogey, Ingles, and Clarkson are still here (but that could reduce the regular season wear and tear) is going to be enough to push us to title contention, then by all means, let’s just see if we get lucky. I just don’t think we’re as close as many think.
I think our overall lack of athleticism and length kills us in certain matchups. The hydra gets flummoxed by even bad teams with a lot of length. I think we need a starter level long athletic dude that can guard 1-3, and a playoff rotation guy that is also long and athletic that can at least guard 3-4. I think we should add budget guys that do those things too, but that budget guys (whether vets, draft picks, or UFAs) alone are not going to make a big difference.
People may disagree, and that’s fine. I think we need more than just a reliable bench guythat we can throw in against certain matchups. I think we also need to improve the length and athleticism of our starting lineup and regular rotation, especially if we are trotting out two undersized guards as our starters every night.
We need the closest thing to a Mikal Bridges or a RoCo that we can find to start in Bogey’s place, and maybe a Delon Wright or Taurean Prince to come off the bench. Wanting to keep Bogey is just sentiment. He is a valuable player, but I think we can easily replace everything he does by committee. He is a worthy sacrifice for some defense.
Just advocating for a calculated risk or two when we know that things are going nuclear next year if things go poorly in the playoffs again.
Even if nothing comes to fruition, I’d appreciate at least hearing it reported that “the Jazz are exploring all avenues to improve perimeter defense in the starting lineup and bench.” Instead the headline is basically “We runnin’ it back, please come back Mike, does anyone that can shoot and play defense want to live in Utah for a minimum contract and maybe a couple minutes a night?”
Sorry to be so negative, but I truly believe this approach leads to a trade request from Don next summer.
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LoPo
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Actually, people on this forum are picking up pretty much every NBA player under 6'5" and saying they are better than Don. Dame, Booker, FVV, I'm sure Chris Paul is next. Then we'll eventually get to Kyrie. Hell, maybe even Patty Mills too.
I'm so tired of the Don hate. No wonder he might want to leave sooner rather than later. Jazz fans are morons.
Lillard’s contract vs Donovan’s:
43.8M vs 28.1M
47.3M vs 30.5M
50.8M vs 32.6M
54.2M vs 34.8M
Lillard is 6 years older.
Can you imagine paying Gobert and Lillard 100.2M combined in one year in 2025.
43.8M vs 28.1M
47.3M vs 30.5M
50.8M vs 32.6M
54.2M vs 34.8M
Lillard is 6 years older.
Can you imagine paying Gobert and Lillard 100.2M combined in one year in 2025.
LoPo
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Don was the best player as we won a playoff series his rookie year. First guy to do that since Wilt. Rubio was banged up and we had no other All Star or award winner that year. He was playing against 3 HOF too.
The next year, Don played yet again with zero All Stars and made it to the playoffs.
What were you saying?
Someone said it. Im just responding.
But yeah, Mitchell is better than Booker and it's not really a debate either.
The Suns just were just a team with less weaknesses. The Jazz were a juggernaut and a better team, but the loss of Conley exposed them too much. Then they got exposed for not having the depth to throw out better defensive options.
LoPo
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But, but, but Cy said that undeniable metric that Dame is way, way better.....
I totally agree.
I dont pay them and dont have close to 100 million dollars, so no.
Hearsky
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I feel like reading comprehension isn't really your thing.
Damian is basically 2nd to Curry when it comes to scoring guards. The **** Dame did these last two years is insane considering the centers he has played the most minutes with have been Whiteside and Kanter.
LoPo
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I feel that Donovan Mitchell is better than Booker. I never said in a landslide, but I think he's better.
Phoenix has been building a respectable roster, then they went and added 3 very good playoff performers this offseason. Phoenix went from top of the lottery to maybe top of the league. I'm not giving Booker a bunch of credit for that. The Phoenix GM went and added very direct plugs to fill very clear Phoenix weaknesses.
Our GM didn't do that. He still rolled into the season with only 1 (ONLY F-ING 1) perimeter defender on the entire team. We were regular season tough, not playoff tough. We are not built to compete in the playoffs. HH and many others and I have been saying it for years. An NBA GM is so important. Booker is a chucker who is so nicely surrounded now. DM is a star who doesn't have the type help necessary for the playoffs.
Mitchell is great, but this past year was his first advanced efficient scoring year that helped put him in the discussion with other top scoring guards. He's still not there yet though to surpass the established vets.
It's funny that Lopo, the guy who literally only post when the Jazz lose and wants to cry about losing Grayson Allen and Jae Crowder to get Mike Conley, is complaining about haters.
It's funny that Lopo, the guy who literally only post when the Jazz lose and wants to cry about losing Grayson Allen and Jae Crowder to get Mike Conley, is complaining about haters.
Conley was/is way better. Who made the All-Star team this year in the crowded West? Who was the best on/off player in the NBA?
Plus Jrue's defense has dropped off a good deal and he's shooting 29% from 3 for the playoffs. But keep hating on Conley and capping for other players because you're so ****ing set on proving the Conley trade was bad.
LoPo
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And two first round draft picks and $70 million of our cap space.
You always seem to forget that part....
Ineptimusprime
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Why did this thread turn into the Dame/Don/Booker debate?
I thought this thread was for whining about the FO’s overly cautious and depressing plan for the offseason.
I thought this thread was for whining about the FO’s overly cautious and depressing plan for the offseason.
Lopo is honestly the most pathetic person on here.
Conley has put up two amazing playoffs series for the Jazz, but the dude will nitpick the **** out of them.
Jrue Holiday is having an awful post-season, but he wants to big up HOliday to put him on a pedestal over COnley, just to prove his little bitch *** point.
You dont know basketball in the slightest. You just want to be right so badly to the point that you quit posting because Conley and the Jazz were playing so well.
Conley has put up two amazing playoffs series for the Jazz, but the dude will nitpick the **** out of them.
Jrue Holiday is having an awful post-season, but he wants to big up HOliday to put him on a pedestal over COnley, just to prove his little bitch *** point.
You dont know basketball in the slightest. You just want to be right so badly to the point that you quit posting because Conley and the Jazz were playing so well.
LoPo
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I'm not set on proving the Conley trade was bad. That argument is over. If it ends here with Conley leaving, the Conley trade was very bad. It's not the worst trade in team history bad like I said at one point, but it's a failure for sure.
Conley made the All Star team as a deep alternate. And he was already set for the 3 point competition. The team's success got Conley that last spot. Jrue's defense, though has declined slightly, is still better than Conley's and shows up every night. Conley had some good stats last year, but our stats were crazy good for almost everybody. What happened in the playoffs?