Jazz Offseason Plan

[oneye]

This salary **** is about DL and Conley. You can leave Rudy and Don outta this.

It’s about all. I’ll give it to Rudy he didn’t get the full max the first time around, nor did he hold the franchise to the full supermax the 2nd time around. Donovan wanted a player option, and the easiest path to the super max he could find, along with pressuring the organization the entire time. Rudy actually gave a little both times. Donovan on the other hand…..well Ryan Smith saved around $33 million+ tax because Donovan didn’t make any all NBA teams. Had he, the Jazz tax bill would be even more extreme. How that’s all going to end is no title, Mitchell slithering his way out, and never even a WCF with ridiculous tax circumstances. Does that suck? Sure, but your “committed” super star is giving you an impossible 3 year window, and it’s going to result in nothing. If Mitchell had the patients for a 5-6 year truly committed window, I actually do think they could find a way to win a championship with a couple bad years.

 

[NAOS]

It’s about all. I’ll give it to Rudy he didn’t get the full max the first time around, nor did he hold the franchise to the full supermax the 2nd time around. Donovan wanted a player option, and the easiest path to the super max he could find, along with pressuring the organization the entire time. Rudy actually gave a little both times. Donovan on the other hand…..well Ryan Smith saved around $33 million+ tax because Donovan didn’t make any all NBA teams. Had he, the Jazz tax bill would be even more extreme.

zzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[whatthe]

Ingles + Bojan .. for.. Simmons?

 

[Avery]

Ingles + Bojan .. for.. Simmons?

Your username is my answer to this.

 

[whatthe]

Your username is my answer to this.

Lol

 

[Elizah Huge]

It’s about all. I’ll give it to Rudy he didn’t get the full max the first time around, nor did he hold the franchise to the full supermax the 2nd time around. Donovan wanted a player option, and the easiest path to the super max he could find, along with pressuring the organization the entire time. Rudy actually gave a little both times. Donovan on the other hand…..well Ryan Smith saved around $33 million+ tax because Donovan didn’t make any all NBA teams. Had he, the Jazz tax bill would be even more extreme. How that’s all going to end is no title, Mitchell slithering his way out, and never even a WCF with ridiculous tax circumstances. Does that suck? Sure, but your “committed” super star is giving you an impossible 3 year window, and it’s going to result in nothing. If Mitchell had the patients for a 5-6 year truly committed window, I actually do think they could find a way to win a championship with a couple bad years.

Lmao Rudy did us zero favors with his 5/205M deal. Spare me all of that ********.

 

[oneye]

Lmao Rudy did us zero favors with his 5/205M deal. Spare me all of that ********.

Lol, he could have demanded about $25 million more , which would have equated to about $60-75 million more as far as luxury tax is concerned. Actually yes, he did do the Jazz about a $60-75 million favor which is what the entire tax bill will be this season if Mike is brought back and no salary is offloaded. If Rudy had demanded the full super max or he was leaving, you’d be looking at a higher tax bill, instead of a $60 million tax bill so spare me. Donovan? Donovan would have been fine with the tax bill doubling for the franchise. Again. Spare me. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

 

[oneye]

zzzzzzzzzzzz

What I said is true and exactly what will happen. Donovan in the end, will cost the franchise far more, and will accomplish less for the franchise than even Deron Williams did by the time he asks for a trade.

 

[oneye]

Hopefully I find myself pleasantly surprised tomorrow. But I think the feeling is gonna be more of a “meh”.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Lol, he could have demanded about $25 million more , which would have equated to about $60-75 million more as far as luxury tax is concerned. Actually yes, he did do the Jazz about a $60-75 million favor which is what the entire tax bill will be this season if Mike is brought back and no salary is offloaded. If Rudy had demanded the full super max or he was leaving, you’d be looking at a higher tax bill, instead of a $60 million tax bill so spare me. Donovan? Donovan would have been fine with the tax bill doubling for the franchise. Again. Spare me. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

You are a ****ing clown lmao.

 

[Elizah Huge]

What I said is true and exactly what will happen. Donovan in the end, will cost the franchise far more, and will accomplish less for the franchise than even Deron Williams did by the time he asks for a trade.

Lmao you are one weird dude.

 

[oneye]

You are a ****ing clown lmao.

I’m ****ing going to be proven right lol. There’s no truly feasible way to take this roster to the next step. Nothing I’ve said isn’t true. And the story is going to end just like I have told all of you it was going to end for a year and half now.

 

[oneye]

Lmao you are one weird dude.

When what I say ends up being exactly what reality is, I don’t need a you were right, you’ll simply know. He won’t even get to the WCF. Deron in the end will have accomplished more. I don’t think that was the hope.

Now back to whatever the f*** happens tomorrow.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I’m ****ing going to be proven right lol. There’s no truly feasible way to take this roster to the next step. Nothing I’ve said isn’t true. And the story is going to end just like I have told all of you it was going to end for a year and half now.

Maybe if Rudy wasn’t going to average 41M a year over the next 5 years we could bring in an extra player or two instead of having to move a key rotation piece.

 

[oneye]

Maybe if Rudy wasn’t going to average 41M a year over the next 5 years we could bring in an extra player or two instead of having to move a key rotation piece.

Maybe Mitchell shouldn’t have been pressuring the FO to not take a step back and creating all sorts of drama surrounding himself at the exact wrong time. The franchise would pivot, hes 24, there’s plenty of time, but they don’t have time, because the truth is he was never sticking around long enough to pivot anyway. He knows it, and so do they. What I said would happen, is going to be reality sooner rather than later and most of you know it’s the truth. No title. Hell no WCF appearance. In the end, this Jazz era will end up being quite negligible.

 

[LoPo]

Maybe Mitchell shouldn’t have been pressuring the FO to not take a step back and creating all sorts of drama surrounding himself at the exact wrong time. The franchise would pivot, hes 24, there’s plenty of time, but they don’t have time, because the truth is he was never sticking around long enough to pivot anyway. He knows it, and so do they. What I said would happen, is going to be reality sooner rather than later and most of you know it’s the truth. No title. Hell no WCF appearance. In the end, this Jazz era will end up being quite negligible.

Not because of Don. In the playoffs, Mike goes missing while Rudy doesn't perform like a max player. Those are our Achilles heals. Not Don or anything you lie about him influencing.


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[LoPo]

The more I analyze this offseason the more I'm just inclined to start a retool around Don.

We are probably going to dump our 1st in order to shed a contract who happens to be our only true insurance should Rudy get hurt. We wouldn't be a one seed with Favors in for a hurt Rudy, but we could fight our way though a rough patch if we had to.

We will likely dump one of our two best floor spacers in either Joe or Bojan.

And this is all to give an injury prone PG crazy money. We take one of the most top heavy lineups in basketball and make it thinner. We are dropping important pieces to shed money when just weeks ago it was clear we were just a piece or two away from maybe having enough to win it all.

Sign and trade Mike for longterm value and great defense. If Charlotte or another is willing to pay the world for him, consider trading Rudy. His value will never ever be higher.

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[Jazzman12]

It’s about all. I’ll give it to Rudy he didn’t get the full max the first time around, nor did he hold the franchise to the full supermax the 2nd time around. Donovan wanted a player option, and the easiest path to the super max he could find, along with pressuring the organization the entire time. Rudy actually gave a little both times. Donovan on the other hand…..well Ryan Smith saved around $33 million+ tax because Donovan didn’t make any all NBA teams. Had he, the Jazz tax bill would be even more extreme. How that’s all going to end is no title, Mitchell slithering his way out, and never even a WCF with ridiculous tax circumstances. Does that suck? Sure, but your “committed” super star is giving you an impossible 3 year window, and it’s going to result in nothing. If Mitchell had the patients for a 5-6 year truly committed window, I actually do think they could find a way to win a championship with a couple bad years.

Here’s the way I look at it: If Donovan indeed has another level of superstardom in him, we’ll either win a title or have made it to the Finals in the next 3 years. If he doesn’t have that next level in him, the next 3 years are gonna look an awful lot like the last 3 and at that point, why not let him go, try and get some assets for him on his way out and start rebuilding the damn thing?

As a fanbase, we’re so petrified that Donovan will eventually want out that we completely overlook the fact that we might want him to leave.

 

[Ineptimusprime]

I wake up on this draft day very frustrated with where the team seems to be heading, and feeling a bit like I was sold a bill of goods.

Let’s start off with this — I am fine with either (1) a pure “run-it-back” where we don’t move any of our rotation pieces and go deep into the tax; and (2) a re-tooling of the roster to get under the tax and get a bit younger and build around Don for a another run at it in 3 years. In other words, either keep us fully committed in “win now” mode or make some moves that consciously set us back a few years with the idea of being better in the future.

I feel like I was sold option (1) by the FO’s messengers early this summer, i.e., “the Jazz are all in on bringing back the entire core and don’t care about the tax.” Which I am fine with. But now that the day of reckoning has come and the bill has come due, it just feels like we’re chickening out and wanting to trade a rotation player just to dodge the tax and are even offloading an asset to do so.

A move like this is not a “win now” move, though it will be sold as such. It’s just a tax saving move. The team does not get better by shipping Fav for nothing and attaching a pick, and we are not made potentially any better in the future by this move because we are losing the pick.

Just a pretty gutless move by Ryan, to be perfectly honest, if that is what happens. If we’re going to be sold on a run back, pull out the checkbook, RyGuy. Instead, it seems like we’re going to just run back an older team with less depth that we neither improved in the here and now nor better positioned for the future. Free agency will not be a panacea or legitimate avenue to improve the team. We are Utah, and also have no money. We aren’t getting anyone good enough to improve anything or meaningfully address needs with minimums (barring us getting really lucky by finding the next JaeSean Tate in another league or something) and why would we add a 6 millon dollar mini-MLE contract guy to our tax situation when we are willing to attach a first round pick to get off a $9 million dollar contract for tax reasons?

I hope I am eating these words tonight, but I am confident I won’t be. Smith seems to be cheaping out at the last minute.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I wake up on this draft day very frustrated with where the team seems to be heading, and feeling a bit like I was sold a bill of goods.

Let’s start off with this — I am fine with either (1) a pure “run-it-back” where we don’t move any of our rotation pieces and go deep into the tax; and (2) a re-tooling of the roster to get under the tax and get a bit younger and build around Don for a another run at it in 3 years. In other words, either keep us fully committed in “win now” mode or make some moves that consciously set us back a few years with the idea of being better in the future.

I feel like I was sold option (1) by the FO’s messengers early this summer, i.e., “the Jazz are all in on bringing back the entire core and don’t care about the tax.” Which I am fine with. But now that the day of reckoning has come and the bill has come due, it just feels like we’re chickening out and wanting to trade a rotation player just to dodge the tax and are even offloading an asset to do so.

A move like this is not a “win now” move, though it will be sold as such. It’s just a tax saving move. The team does not get better by shipping Fav for nothing and attaching a pick, and we are not made potentially any better in the future by this move because we are losing the pick.

Just a pretty gutless move by Ryan, to be perfectly honest, if that is what happens. If we’re going to be sold on a run back, pull out the checkbook, RyGuy. Instead, it seems like we’re going to just run back an older team with less depth that we neither improved in the here and now nor better positioned for the future. Free agency will not be a panacea or legitimate avenue to improve the team. We are Utah, and also have no money. We aren’t getting anyone good enough to improve anything or meaningfully address needs with minimums (barring us getting really lucky by finding the next JaeSean Tate in another league or something) and why would we add a 6 millon dollar mini-MLE contract guy to our tax situation when we are willing to attach a first round pick to get off a $9 million dollar contract for tax reasons?

I hope I am eating these words tonight, but I am confident I won’t be. Smith seems to be cheaping out at the last minute.

We will dump Favs with assets… talk about how this opens up so many basketball things while ignoring all of those were possible if Ryan wanted to pay. Then the big lie is that we will be hunting with the taxpayer MLE for a big piece… but then all the good players will sign elsewhere and we will sign minimum guys. The talk will then be how smart a move that was because now they will be aggressive in the buyout market with more money. Keep that powder dry… just you wait and see the big move pal… you will so damn dumb when that move happens.

This is my super cynical but very possible scenario to watch. WE ARE ALL IN!!!! Except financially we will be doing some extreme trimming… but that doesn’t mean we aren’t all in!?!?!?

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