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KrazeeEyezKilla said:
If that's the deal, I'd love to get Knight at #6 and package #12, 18 and Miles/Bell AND Tomic (if necessary) to move up for Biyombo. This may go along the lines of what GVC and others have already said.
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That is way too much for BB. Like I said earlier he is projected at #14 on Ford's mock. Ford was almost dead accurate last year on the top 8.
 
Biyombo might be there at 12. I wouldn't trade Harris and 12 to get Biyombo. Harris has some value around the league, the Jazz could get some veteran talent for Harris. Besides do you want to give the reins to two rookies.
 
Sic'm Jimmer. Good luck, I see it as very good matchups right now (well, at least even talent). I see Knight as the clear favorite 2 years from now ... when he's their age.
 
Jazz4ever said:
That is way too much for BB. Like I said earlier he is projected at #14 on Ford's mock. Ford was almost dead accurate last year on the top 8.
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Givony was dead-accurate on the top-8 last year. Ford might've had a better overall draft, but I wouldn't know.
 
Zerol said:
Good decision by Jimmer. He has nothing to lose to go against two guys who are projected and WILL go higher than him.

On the other hand if he is dominated by Malcom Lee.....
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Here's a question: what happens if Jimmer dominates against Knight and Walker in the workout? Do you guys think that this would move him up the Jazz's draft board? If they think that Fredette is going to be a better player that both Knight and Walker, would they consider taking him at #3 overall if Derrick Williams is not available/they don't want Enes Kanter? I mean, isn't the big knock against Jimmer the fact that he isn't athetic and he can't play defense? What if he shows the Jazz these things in the workout to the point that they think he is a better prospect than Walker or Knight? I mean, do you really think that the Jazz draft players based upon some guys "mock draft" or what the "expert" scouts think? Because I'm pretty sure they don't. If the Jazz want Fredette and they don't think he will be available @ #12, could we either trade up (from #12) or trade down (from #3) to get him and other assets (more picks/players/cash)?
 
I don't think a single workout for a single team will affect opinions of many GMs even if Jimmer destroyed Knight/Walker. How will they know this actually happened?
So this will only solidify Jimmer's position on Jazz's board and they will take him with 12th without much noise.
 
And another thought from me: if Jimmer was African-American, would he be considered among the best players available in this draft? Are white guys discriminated against by NBA scouts? I mean, it seems to me that most Caucasian players are consistently undervalued by NBA scouts, whether from the athletic or overall potential POV. To me, Gordon Hayward seems pretty athletic while possessing a lot of potential. I think most would agree with me. However, websites like NBAdraft.net ranked his athleticism at a 7, his defense at a 6, and his quickness at a 6. From watching Gordon play against other NBA players, these numbers seem to be highly inconsistent with his actual abilities. They did rank his potential at an 8. I have to give them credit for that. Speaking of NBAdraft.net, they now have Kanter going #1 overall to Cleveland, Minnesota taking Williams at #2, and us taking Kyrie Irving at #3.
 
I don't think Jimmer is being discriminated against. Is there a bias because he is white? For some people but if there are any GMs who allow racial bias to cloud their judgement then I would think they wouldn't last too long. Their job is to pick the player who they think will have the best career.

The fans are different because they get all emotional about their decision. I have heard some fans that don't want to pick a player because he isn't American or he isn't black. Some fans don't want a certain black player because he is too street so their will always be bias when it comes to certain fans.

If Jimmer were being truly discriminated against he wouldn't be allowed to play in the NBA.
 
I maintain to this day that if Hayward were black and Evan Turner were white, they would have swapped places last year in the draft.
 
I realize Butler did make a run in the tourney, but the level of competition Ohio State faced was much tougher throughout Turner's career. Evan was a top lottery pick regardless of color. Hayward's performance in the tourney vaulted him up quite a few notches. Of course, it was also belief by KOC that Gordon could be a SG. I wonder had Utah not taken Hayward where he would have gone. Maybe in the late teens?
 
GlassEater said:
I realize Butler did make a run in the tourney, but the level of competition Ohio State faced was much tougher throughout Turner's career. Evan was a top lottery pick regardless of color. Hayward's performance in the tourney vaulted him up quite a few notches. Of course, it was also belief by KOC that Gordon could be a SG. I wonder had Utah not taken Hayward where he would have gone. Maybe in the late teens?
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Good chance he was going to go #10 to Indiana. And I stand by my statement. Turner put up good numbers, but there were a lot of questions about what position he would play, as well as a lot of doubt about his jumpshot. I thought he'd be decent, but no way did I think he was a top #2 pick especially with Cousins and Favors sitting there. But maybe it was just me that skeptical.
 
margodydek said:
Good chance he was going to go #10 to Indiana. And I stand by my statement. Turner put up good numbers, but there were a lot of questions about what position he would play, as well as a lot of doubt about his jumpshot. I thought he'd be decent, but no way did I think he was a top #2 pick especially with Cousins and Favors sitting there. But maybe it was just me that skeptical.
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I agree that lack of a consistent jump shot hurts Turner, but he has great feel for the game and handle. The jump shot should come along once his confidence is up. I think he would have a great rookie to soph jump if Iguodala is indeed shipped out of Philly.
 
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