Jazz Pre-Draft Workouts
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I was trying to be nice.
Gyp Rosetti
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Well, we appreciate that but you are under oath now and I think as unpleasant as it may be we'd all just as soon hear the truth. - Daniel Kaffee
The thing is I don't mind keeping Fes as he is now. I think he is a great backup C in this league when utilized properly. But this board is full of guys salivating on black hopping energetic dudes hence I'm OK with having black Fes-alike here in order to please them.
davidbenoit
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???
What exactly is unclear?
davidbenoit
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Joe Bagadonuts
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I'm obviously one of the salivators so I thank you for aligning a little more karma in our direction. I'll bet he impacts the game far more than Fes. I hope we get to find out if I'm right. Now slide Bismak, slide.
The Thriller
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Fess cannot be counted on.
You folks act like Jerry and Ty weren't using him properly. Why? Were they asking him to dribble the ball up the court, make Cs out of his hand, and shoot 3s off screens?
The bare basics, were asked by Jerry and Ty, and Fess couldn't even accomplish those!
How many more games does this dude need to miss due to hangovers? How many more practices does he need to goof up? How many more games does he need to enter to only collect 5 fouls in 30 seconds before you realize he wasn't ready to compete? How is his lack of work ethic and refusal to take (anything) serious a good thing?
Fess has had his many opportunities. And he's failed. Get him out and off Jazz welfare. Time to move on folks
You folks act like Jerry and Ty weren't using him properly. Why? Were they asking him to dribble the ball up the court, make Cs out of his hand, and shoot 3s off screens?
The bare basics, were asked by Jerry and Ty, and Fess couldn't even accomplish those!
How many more games does this dude need to miss due to hangovers? How many more practices does he need to goof up? How many more games does he need to enter to only collect 5 fouls in 30 seconds before you realize he wasn't ready to compete? How is his lack of work ethic and refusal to take (anything) serious a good thing?
Fess has had his many opportunities. And he's failed. Get him out and off Jazz welfare. Time to move on folks
GVC
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The Fes comparison is just stupid. Fes is an average athlete and flabby. Biyombo is neither of those things. Beyond that, the stats aren't even close to the same.
Biyombo is shooting 55% from the FT line this season (I think it's fair to say the change in leagues wouldn't impact this significantly). Fes has shot under 40% for his NBA career.
Biyombo averages 10.8 boards per 36 this season (although in the ACB). Fes has averaged 8.6 boards per 36 in the NBA.
Biyombo blocks 4.9 shots per 36 minutes in the ACB (read that again). Fes blocks 1.8 per 36 in the NBA.
Comparing these two is just plain stupid.
Biyombo is shooting 55% from the FT line this season (I think it's fair to say the change in leagues wouldn't impact this significantly). Fes has shot under 40% for his NBA career.
Biyombo averages 10.8 boards per 36 this season (although in the ACB). Fes has averaged 8.6 boards per 36 in the NBA.
Biyombo blocks 4.9 shots per 36 minutes in the ACB (read that again). Fes blocks 1.8 per 36 in the NBA.
Comparing these two is just plain stupid.
green
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The more I learn about Biyombo the more I would like to pass. He is too much of a project, and we don't need that. We don't need a player that won't contribute for 4 years. I am an stong Jimmer hater, but at least he will contribute right away. Didn't Whiteside average an insane amount of blocks? I know Biyombo has a better body and has done it in Spain instead of college, but...I don't know. Just hard to get excited about a kid that will play in 4 years. It's like college football and this Chase Hansen kid. Everyone says its a great pickup for Utah, but he isn't going to play for 4-5 years. Who cares?
1) The Jazz aren't playing for a championship in the next 4 years.
2) Hassan Whiteside is somewhere between halfway retarded and halfway nuts, besides having a tiny frame and getting abused by mid-major Cs in the post (I wasn't high on him at all)
3) How is he too much of a project? There is a vast track-record of Cs that don't do much besides clean up and defend, and that's exactly what he does VERY well.
2) Hassan Whiteside is somewhere between halfway retarded and halfway nuts, besides having a tiny frame and getting abused by mid-major Cs in the post (I wasn't high on him at all)
3) How is he too much of a project? There is a vast track-record of Cs that don't do much besides clean up and defend, and that's exactly what he does VERY well.
green
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I have no clue how I feel about Bismack. I read you and think, "you know, he makes sense, maybe he wouldn't be bad." Then I read someone else and think, "Holy crap, that is huge risk." I guess at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter who we pick at 12, because odds are they will never play for us anyways. I hope the Jazz pick someone who can do something, as a good solid bench player, and if Bismack and play defense, well then hopefully he is the person.
GVC
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What? Why?
green
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Isn't that Locke's big thing? The 12th pick only has a 9% chance of being a bench player, or something like that. I think he said the 12th pick is the worst pick to have in the lottery statistically. Basically he says that after 15, the picks have a lot better chance of being a solid bench player over a bust because you are out of the lottery and you quit trying to reach for players. You pick players that you know will be solid, 10-20 mins a night guys and they become that. You aren't reaching for some gym superstar hoping he becomes a basketball player.
GVC
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Why would the team picking at 15 reach any less than the team picking at 14? You don't get an additional prize for reaching because you just missed the playoffs.
There will probably still be a handful of available rotation players at 12 this year, and even though it's a crap shoot (at best) to find one of them ,it's KOC's job to do so and snatch him up. I see no reason why he'd let a more-or-less arbitrary line cause him to make a bad pick.
Locke? ick.
green
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His big argument is that once you get out of the lottery, you don't have the stigma of being in the lottery and that you should get an All-Star with your pick. So you don't reach on players. You are right in that its stupid, but the stats show that picks 10-14 are busts more than 15-20. So, I dunno, maybe there is something to it.
The example might be Jimmer vs Bismack. There is a huge chance Bismack may never be good enough to step on the floor. BUT, his upside is huge. Jimmer will never have the potential Bismack has, but he will play a long time in the NBA because he can be a very solid backup pg and hit a ton of threes ala Eddie House. A lot of GM's will reach on Bismack over Jimmer hoping that Bismack turns out. Odds are he doesn't. Jimmer slides to 15 or 16 and a team picks him to be what he is: a backup pg with good range and Jimmer has a 8 year career hitting threes ala Korver. Can you see how GM's reach?
Back to your point, I don't know if Locke is correct that it is the lottery, or if GM's at 15+ just don't have the opportunity to reach as much on "potential" picks and are forced to take the safer picks.
The example might be Jimmer vs Bismack. There is a huge chance Bismack may never be good enough to step on the floor. BUT, his upside is huge. Jimmer will never have the potential Bismack has, but he will play a long time in the NBA because he can be a very solid backup pg and hit a ton of threes ala Eddie House. A lot of GM's will reach on Bismack over Jimmer hoping that Bismack turns out. Odds are he doesn't. Jimmer slides to 15 or 16 and a team picks him to be what he is: a backup pg with good range and Jimmer has a 8 year career hitting threes ala Korver. Can you see how GM's reach?
Back to your point, I don't know if Locke is correct that it is the lottery, or if GM's at 15+ just don't have the opportunity to reach as much on "potential" picks and are forced to take the safer picks.
GVC
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If his assertion is true (I don't care to do the legwork), I think it's likely that teams in the lottery, non-playoff teams- have more glaring needs than non-lottery teams, and feel they need to make a big splash. There's a higher chance they're re-building than re-tooling. With that said, with the youth Utah already has, and with their #3 pick and two more picks next season, they don't have the same pressure to land a high risk/reward player. On the other hand, they may be a team that can afford to take on a high risk/reward player, and, in this case, I would prefer this route (like drafting high school pitchers in major league baseball).
If Biyombo is available, I think he's an obvious choice. He's not an unknown, and has shown considerable talent and development playing against grown men in the ACB.
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Brandon Knight aka Mr. Chicken.
just kidding, but a Fredette, Walker, Knight workout would have been awesome. Do we know for sure that Fredette and Walker will go head to head?