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So Knight letting his agent manipulate him and chickens out of his workout against Jimmer. Makes you wonder, what does Knight have to hide? Is he afraid that the white Mormon might expose him? Why do Kemba and Knight always run away from competition? How does letting their agents dictate to them every move make Jazz fans feel? Especially when you consider how many agents would just LOVE to get their players out of Utah and into LA, Miami, or Dallas? If you don't want to be here, then don't let the door hit you on your *** on the way out.

The more and more I learn of Knight, the less and less I like.

I agree with what Gordy Chiesa said on Locke's show today, "Go shirts and skins, lace it up, and lets go play some basketball."

Enough of this chicken crap of playing as little basketball as possible to not "hurt" one's position in the draft. Go out there and prove something. Where's their competitive drive?
 
Kemba and Knight have NOTHING TO GAIN by playing a guy that is UNIVERSALLY considered a lesser prospect and might look better in a vacuum. Knight is going somewhere between #3 and #7 unless he screws up and he's not going any higher. Kemba is in a similar position.

When some people are ready to realize these are actual people living actual lives, chasing their actual career and not just mere toys that are mechanically competitive for our amusement, join the discussion.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Kemba and Knight have NOTHING TO GAIN by playing a guy that is UNIVERSALLY considered a lesser prospect and might look better in a vacuum. Knight is going somewhere between #3 and #7 unless he screws up and he's not going any higher. Kemba is in a similar position.

When some people are ready to realize these are actual people living actual lives, chasing their actual career and not just mere toys that are mechanically competitive for our amusement, join the discussion.
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Could you see Karl Malone or John Stockton refusing to workout against their peers for "fear" of failure?

Where's the competitive spirit? Knight and Walker are afraid. What do they have to hide? If they beat the crap out of Jimmer, it raises their stock because they just destroyed the national player of the year. People can then see what Knight and Walker can do against competition. Seeing what they do against scrubs... Or 1 on none, doesn't prove anything to these teams. Which is what Knight and Walker want. They want themselves against no defense or competition.

No competitive drive.

Just mere following the agent's advice.

What happens when it comes to the negotiating table to resign with the Jazz? Will they continue to listen to their agents when the agent suggests to bail out of Utah and go to a bigger market? Do Utah Jazz fans really want to deal with this crap? Or do they want a little more competitive and independent thinkers on their team?

Again, Gordy Chiesa said it best, "Shirts vs skins, lace it up, and lets play some basketball."

Screw the standing on scales, vertical leap tests, and measuring the wingspan. Play basketball.

If all we did was what Knight and Walker wanted, guys like Kwame Brown would constantly go #1.

Lets get some competitors folks. Enough of these prima donnas who are too afraid of competing or standing up to their agents.
 
Knight would blow by Jimmer. Then blow by Jimmer. Then blow by Jimmer. Then shoot over Jimmer. Then oop over Jimmer. I don't think Knight is avoiding Jimmer.
 
Why does it matter if player X beats player Y? Williams routinely owned Paul throughout their Jazz-Hornets "rivalry" but Paul was still considered to be the better PG by many experts.
 
Walker's plenty quick to get a feel for how Jimmer looks guarding legit NBA 1's. It would be better if Knight was also there for that purpose, but hopefully the Jazz have somebody else on hand to test him as well. Don't care about Knight and Walker playing since they've already done that twice in real games.
 
zbone said:
The thing is I don't mind keeping Fes as he is now. I think he is a great backup C in this league when utilized properly. But this board is full of guys salivating on black hopping energetic dudes hence I'm OK with having black Fes-alike here in order to please them.
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The jazz did utilize him correctly with his butt parked on the bench.
 
Catchall said:
Knight would blow by Jimmer. Then blow by Jimmer. Then blow by Jimmer. Then shoot over Jimmer. Then oop over Jimmer. I don't think Knight is avoiding Jimmer.
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Which is proven by the fact that Knight won't work out with Walker or Jimmer. Yea, he's not avoiding them.... but he might hurt himself by refusing.

Teams head offices know the agents are involved, but they also may go another route if they have concerns that a player is either hiding something, or not confident enough to show what they have. If I was deciding between two supposedly equal players and one would take a challenge head on, and the other would avoid it... I would go with the one that attacked the challenge. It shows character... and the Jazz and possibly other teams are big on character.

On the flip side if that player is definitely better than the other players by a long shot it will be overlooked. If the player is only a little better in their eyes... it could be a toss up. It's risky for Knight no matter what he does. If he avoids them he might drop, if he takes them on and looks bad he might drop. My opinion is that avoiding is the worse of the two decisions, but I do understand the logic.

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JazzSpazz said:
Which is proven by the fact that Knight won't work out with Walker or Jimmer. Yea, he's not avoiding them.... but he might hurt himself by refusing.

Teams head offices know the agents are involved, but they also may go another route if they have concerns that a player is either hiding something, or not confident enough to show what they have. If I was deciding between two supposedly equal players and one would take a challenge head on, and the other would avoid it... I would go with the one that attacked the challenge. It shows character... and the Jazz and possibly other teams are big on character.

On the flip side if that player is definitely better than the other players by a long shot it will be overlooked. If the player is only a little better in their eyes... it could be a toss up. It's risky for Knight no matter what he does. If he avoids them he might drop, if he takes them on and looks bad he might drop. My opinion is that avoiding is the worse of the two decisions, but I do understand the logic.

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If you guys think the Jazz care at all if Knight goes against Jimmer then you are crazy. And if you think Jimmer would own a bigger, more athletic, quicker guard that played in the ACC in stead of the MWC, then you are crazy again. What if Knight goes against Jimmer, Jimmer becomes all frustrated and zoobish and then knocks out Knight's knee? Or what if Jimmer pulls a sweet crossover and literally breaks one of Knight's ankles? Knight has nothing to gain from working out against anybody. Whether Utah takes him or not, he will be drafted 3, 4, or 5, no matter what Jimmer does.

So, why would Knight work out against Jimmer? What does he have to prove, and do you honestly think Utah cares? Come on people.
 
Hey PKM

How come your Kentucky kids don't want to come to Utah? First there was the Kanter where do you want to Play? He answers Clevland, Minnesota, Washington--but not Utah. Stood up the Jazz interview forcing Jazz to arrange a 'secret' workout in Chicago just to save face. He wouldn't work out in Utah and wouldn't work out against anyone. But he has traveled to Cleveland & Minny to work out against competition.

Now rumours are flying that Knight doesn't want to play in Utah see: https://www.thehoopsreport.com/article.aspx?id=746

apparently he doesn't think Utah is a 'good fit' for him because they already have Harris. Like Harris is somekind of all-pro who Knight couldn't beat out--hard to believe that a guy who is supposed to be the next John Stockton, derrick rose, Chris Paul and Tyreke Evans all in one, is concerned about beating out Devin, I guess I'm supposed to be a leader, Harris.

I thought you had connections. Can't you convince these kids that Utah is a pretty great place?
 
As I understand it, these reports are simply not true. Kanter never blew off Utah (nor was it about the language issue that was reported). Knight has said, behind closed doors, that he was really feeling the love from a 'couple teams' more so than the others. Knight's a good kid, I think he wants so badly to go to the team that 'really' needs him that it trumps (for him) what position he's drafted. I feel the tight-lippedness of the Jazz brass (though I totally agree with keeping things quiet) has Knight feeling other teams 'want' him more.

Cal really does do a good job of mentoring these kids, giving them good advice, and preparing them for the process ahead ... read between the lines and see who Cal, publicly, compared these two players to. Calipari is a true master at utilizing the media to get a message through. Most times subtle, but it's always there. Cal really is saying, "Hey Utah Jazz fans, you won't be disappointed with either of these two players with your third pick" .. trying to create some two-way warm and fuzzies.

GUARANTEE you Knight doesn't care where he goes, except he wants a good fit with the FO, teammates, and fans.
 
Hey Dwill_PwnasaurasRex, it's good to see your still posting...face it, we are addicted to the draft. Embrace your addictions:)
 
green said:
If you guys think the Jazz care at all if Knight goes against Jimmer then you are crazy. And if you think Jimmer would own a bigger, more athletic, quicker guard that played in the ACC in stead of the MWC, then you are crazy again. What if Knight goes against Jimmer, Jimmer becomes all frustrated and zoobish and then knocks out Knight's knee? Or what if Jimmer pulls a sweet crossover and literally breaks one of Knight's ankles? Knight has nothing to gain from working out against anybody. Whether Utah takes him or not, he will be drafted 3, 4, or 5, no matter what Jimmer does.

So, why would Knight work out against Jimmer? What does he have to prove, and do you honestly think Utah cares? Come on people.
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Knight played in the SEC.
 
I think Knight would be fine going to Utah but there are a few places that don't have a solid starting PG (i.e. Sactown). In the top 7 Sactown, Toronto and possibly Utah could use a young PG, but Sactown is the one team in the top 7 that really needs a PG.

Personally, I like Knight but I still think he needs some time to develop. I still see him more as a undersize SG/PG. I wouldn't pick him at 3 but if the Jazz were to move down I would be ok with picking him at 5 or 6.
 
How about competing for the sake of competing?

Win over a franchise. Win over fans. Prove to you and everyone else who's better.

Today's athlete wants to play as little as possible and earn as much as possible.

What ever happened to WANTING to face competition? If I were Knight, I'd love for the chance to compete against Jimmer, Walker, Dwill, Drose, Westbrook, Lebron, and anyone else who dared get in my way.

As Gordy Chiesa said yesterday on locked on sports, "Shirts vs skins, lace'em up, and play basketball."
 
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