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Jazz select Grayson Allen at 21

I'm still fine with the pick. The only player available at 21 that I personally would have 100% taken ahead of Allen was Elie Okobo. Okobo was #8 on my board. After Okobo the top 5 prospects left on my board at 21 were KBD, Robert Williams, Simons, Musa and Grayson. A good argument can be made for Allen to be the pick over anyone in that group. He was a better fit than Williams on our roster. We need offense and he's more of an offensive player than KBD. And he was a safer pick than Musa or Simons.
 
Catchall said:
The Jazz didn't make this pick in a vacuum. They must have considered all kinds of factors. One consideration may be that the Jazz could lose either Exum or Rubio within a year due to free agency, so they want a guy who can play PG in that eventuality, while also being versatile enough to play the 2 as well. Maybe the Jazz think they're going to be able to get a forward who can score via free agency, so taking Hutchison or Jacob Evans weren't priorities. The Jazz are very focused on maximizing the next 2 - 3-year window and may not have had the patience or the roster flexibility to develop a player like Simons.

That said, at face value Hutchison, Simons and Okobo all look like better talents than Allen, imo.

Allen is a 4-year college player, very well coached. He's a guy who obviously looks good in workouts. His best position longer term may actually be at the 1 where he has a size and strength advantage. It sounds like he dominated against Jalen Brunson in his Jazz workout. My criticisms of him are that he can't really get by defenders off the dribble, he's mediocre at creating looks for himself, and he'll be yet another guy who needs to be set up with multiple actions to be able to score consistently. He's decent at a number of things at the college level, but I'm struggling to identify a bonafide NBA skill. He has decent IQ, but his passes are pretty rudimentary. He's not going to defend like Royce O'Neale. He's not going to score and get fouled like Alec Burks. He's not going to blow by defenders or defend like Dante Exum. Like most players, his ceiling will be based on how well he shoots the ball, and his shooting last year was so-so.

I think he's most likely to be a bench player. If the Jazz retain Exum, then Allen will be our 4th guard at best, competing for minutes with Burks and Royce O'Neale. Who knows if he'll get time at the 1. Maybe he'll replace Raul Neto.
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He's better than Exum (who isn't good at basketball) and Burks (who isn't a smart basketball player).
 
SCS said:
I'm still fine with the pick. The only player available at 21 that I personally would have 100% taken ahead of Allen was Elie Okobo. Okobo was #8 on my board. After Okobo the top 5 prospects left on my board at 21 were KBD, Robert Williams, Simons, Musa and Grayson. A good argument can be made for Allen to be the pick over anyone in that group. He was a better fit than Williams on our roster. We need offense and he's more of an offensive player than KBD. And he was a safer pick than Musa or Simons.
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#8? LMAO. That’s terrible. Not a chance in hell!
 
Catchall said:
Simons is already more offensively skilled than Allen and more talented on the ball, and he's 3 years younger. He needs a year or two to develop physically.

Are you going to remember this in a couple years when Simons is the better player?
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Haha, better yet, I’ll remember it in 4 when he’s playing in China.
 
JustTheTip said:
Oh I don’t think he’s a homophobe, he was just attempting to be funny. I would believe the typo if he hadn’t done it multiple times, after being called out for it.
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My 10 year old nephew thought it was funny, but a bit juvenile.
 
Y'all have to take into account, this was a phenomenal year in testing most of these guys in private.

They had more than an educated guess like we do. Who else got to see Simons battle Okobo up close etc etc

I wasn't ecstatic about the choice but I feel real good about it.

We shall see.
 
rare144 said:
Y'all have to take into account, this was a phenomenal year in testing most of these guys in private.

They had more than an educated guess like we do. Who else got to see Simons battle Okobo up close etc etc

I wasn't ecstatic about the choice but I feel real good about it.

We shall see.
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I'm just wondering whose minutes he's going to take. I guess it would have to be Exum/Burks/O'Neale/Neto. If he's not shooting the ball well, he probably isn't going to play much.
 
I hope to one day shake hands with Dennis Lindsey so he can feel my hand pads.
 
Im a neto fan but id say its easy to see him taking all of burks and neto minutes
 
Having read all of the concerns in this thread I have not seen much on his BBIQ along with his overall intelligence. He has graduated from Duke.
  • Only three Duke players have been all-ACC academic four years: Amile Jefferson, Quin Snyder, Grayson Allen

  • Five players have scored 1,900 points, 400 rebounds, 400 assists: Johnny Dawkins, Danny Ferry, Jon Scheyer, Grant Hill, Grayson Allen

  • -Six players have been an All-American and Academic All-American: Mike Gminski, Jim Spanarkel, Shane Battier, Mike Dunleavy, Mason Plumlee, Grayson Allen.
I see his competitiveness as a positive far more than a negative. Replacing a soft Hood with a fiery Allen should be a positive right out of the gate. I think he will be a great fit and positive impact.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
WTH IS A HAND PAD?
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It means he has big, meaty, supple hands that DL hopes will enable him to make nuanced plays of the dribble and pass. It's a DL thing.

(Hope it doesn't turn into something like Jerry Reinsdorf saying Marcus Fizer had a short neck.)
 
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Catchall said:
It means he has big, meaty, supple hands that DL hopes will enable him to make nuanced plays of the dribble and pass. It's a DL thing.
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It probably helps him with his proprioception, too. Bigger hand pads help you keep your balance better.
 
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