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Jazz select Udoka Azubuike with pick 27 & trade Tony Bradley + pick 38 to the Pistons

seattlejazzfan said:
he has a jump hook with both hands, he has excellent footwork, he has great hands, he can finish through contact, he's good on both ends in the PnR, he's an excellent shot blocker with good timing, he's great at sealing his man in the post. that's what came off the top of my head. You don't become a McDonaldn's all american at age 16, then improve every year over a four year career in college and become the Big 12 player of the year if you aren't incredibly skilled.
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Jeff Withey had a similar college resume.
 
I think Dok WILL for sure get minutes this year. I think he is ready and is that good already. Come'on with small ball as the default 2nd unit for most teams, he would destroy the opposition.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
There are wings that are ready to play and it is easier to think they could contribute immediately and potentially be a starter level player later.
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Just out of curiosity, how confident are you that all these late round wings are going to pan out as well as you think? You talk about them as though they are a sure thing. I honestly don’t watch college basketball so have no idea if any of these guys, including the ones we picked, are any good. If you had the pick at 27 (or even at 23), who was your pick?
 
Ujfanatic said:
Just out of curiosity, how confident are you that all these late round wings are going to pan out as well as you think? You talk about them as though they are a sure thing. I honestly don’t watch college basketball so have no idea if any of these guys, including the ones we picked, are any good. If you had the pick at 27 (or even at 23), who was your pick?
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Desmond Bane... Bey and Woodard are also solid bets. If you want to corner me into picking one guy (which is fair) I will choose Bane.

I’m not sure they will hit but they have an easier path to playing time and when you hit on a wing it’s a much bigger hit than just a pure center.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Oh you mean like we did with Tony ****ing Bradley? It was fun watching people churn through excuses on that one, but it's more fun that we can all just accept that that whole ordeal was just clown shoes.
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We traded Josh Hart and Thomas Bryant for Tony Bradley. Just let that sink in for a bit.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
As a Udoka homer, I’m already on record that if he doesn’t start getting minutes this season, it was a bad pick. One of the reasons this was a great pick is that he make can an impact now.
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Exactly, like how Conley was brought in to make an impact right away, instead of "figuring out the new system"
 
Ron Mexico said:
Drafting a wing wouldn't help for a year or two and even then it's a gamble a late 1st will ever help. We need help there now. FA is a much better way to address this need than the draft.
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So you'd rather have Niang than drafting a wing? That's exactly what we did last year
 
The Jazz Wonderbra said:
I get Udoka. We addressed our biggest defensive need with Rudy 2.0 coming off the bench. Makes sense.

But a first round draft pick gets you a starter in the league right now and most of us think we could have drafted Udoka at #38. Why not #23 and Ed Davis for Josh Richardson or Ricky Rubio or Kelly Oubre or any number of starters that have flown around and then simply a future second for #38 or #39 to grab Udoka.

There are few teams that wanted Udoka at all.. we reached for him. Thats all.
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Philly needed a shooter and traded Richardson and a pick for Curry. OKC received a potential first round 2021 pick and a 15 million dollar trade exception for Oubre. Phoenix got Chris Paul for Rubio and Oubre, and then OKC got the 17th pick in the draft for him. In short, 23 and Davis doesn’t get us any of those players, not to mention the money is nowhere close to matching for any of them.

Also, unless everyone knows something I don’t, why is everyone so confident Udoka would have been available at 38 or 39? If the Jazz were confident of that don’t you think they would have? They either would rather have him on a rookie deal for 4 years instead of 2, had reason to believe someone else was going draft him between 27 and 38, or both.
 
Ujfanatic said:
Philly needed a shooter and traded Richardson and a pick for Curry. OKC received a potential first round 2021 pick and a 15 million dollar trade exception for Oubre. Phoenix got Chris Paul for Rubio and Oubre, and then OKC got the 17th pick in the draft for him. In short, 23 and Davis doesn’t get us any of those players, not to mention the money is nowhere close to matching for any of them.

Also, unless everyone knows something I don’t, why is everyone so confident Udoka would have been available at 38 or 39? If the Jazz were confident of that don’t you think they would have? They either would rather have him on a rookie deal for 4 years instead of 2, had reason to believe someone else was going draft him between 27 and 38, or both.
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Then why couldn't they just hold onto the #23 pick then take that Minny deal of 25 and 33? If they weren't sure if Azu was gonna be there at 38 then what about 33? I'm sure the confidence level is gonna be much higher.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
So he's good as a post up guy... great. He can finish... that is good. Now outside the restricted area... good passer? Can he dribble? Can he shoot?

I think he is likely an NBA player but I think he is likely replacement level. The good stuff comes with some serious warts imo.

Go look at the list of McDonald's all Americans... world beaters like Diamond Stone on there too.

Udoka might be a Thomas Bryant level of success, but that took a few years too and isn't exactly a home run. To be clear they are different types of players.
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Wish we had him in the 90’s
 
Shad said:
So you'd rather have Niang than drafting a wing? That's exactly what we did last year
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Niang is a pf. But to answer your question, no. I would rather sign one in FA. Niang played because green failed. Don't make that mistake again.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
yeah, 33 inch standing vert and 37 inch two step vert makes more sense. still elite. and it doesn't matter, tbh. it doesn't take a genius to see he's a great athlete for a 7 footer who has a huge lob radius and can finish around the rim better than just about any player who has come into the draft in 20 years or ever.
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Yeah give me a 9'5" standing reach and 37" vert over a 9'1" standing reach and 41" vert all day. I've been watching more of him and he's a pretty effortless jumper. Doesn't really have to load up for too long, and he's really good at jumping in traffic.
Lord Bullingdon said:
Look at this ****... Here's a picture of Udoka at 14 years old...

udoka.jpg

just a powerhouse if there ever was one..

he hasnt grown much since then height wise, he was like 6'10 in this picture im pretty sure...
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Holy **** lmfao
 
NUMBERICA said:
The more I think about this, the more I think that this was in preparation for **** to go down with Rudy.
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I don't think so, necessarily. I think the issue is that for a couple years now the Jazz designed their defensive system to funnel offensive players into Rudy in the paint. It's a fine plan, but it only works when Rudy is on the floor. So there has to be a backup center who can play basically the same defensive role in drop coverage that Rudy does. Favors used to hold down the fort pretty well, especially when you consider he was going against the other team's backups. Tony Bradley and Ed Davis, however, couldn't stop anybody. So I think the Jazz decided they needed to find another defensive big who could imitate Rudy better in order to maintain the same defensive system during the non-Rudy minutes.

You can't have one defensive strategy when Rudy is in the game and another strategy when he's not in the game. Players won't be able to keep it straight and play instinctively.
 
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