Scorpjazz
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LMAO..true
Jazz showdown: Deron vs. Stockton
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LMAO..true
Since I'm not really interested in carrying on this conversation in a decade, let's compare stats for the first 5 years of Stock's career vs. Deron.
Deron:
FG% - .467
3pt% - .361
FT% - .799
Asst - 9
PTS - 16.7
Rebs - 3.1
Steals - 1
Stockton:
FG% - .514
3pt% - .219
FT% - .812
Asst - 9.62
PTS - 10.6
Rebs - 1.1
Steals - 2.3
Based on this point in their careers, Deron's the man.
Deron:
FG% - .467
3pt% - .361
FT% - .799
Asst - 9
PTS - 16.7
Rebs - 3.1
Steals - 1
Stockton:
FG% - .514
3pt% - .219
FT% - .812
Asst - 9.62
PTS - 10.6
Rebs - 1.1
Steals - 2.3
Based on this point in their careers, Deron's the man.
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I learned two things from the post. First, stats are all that matter. How each player shapes the game, through defensive technique, setting screen, pick and roll, and countless other things are irrelevant. Second, steals are not an important enough for a point guard, even if one is the all-time steals leader.
Hopper
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Without question, Stockton is DA MAN. We all know that now, and base our conclusions on years of Stock's productivity. We especially remember Stock at his best, in his prime, when him and Karl had been playin together for many years. We talk about him bein the all-time career steals and assists leaders, and for good reason.
But all that said, who here bases their assessment of him on his first 5 years alone? How many here even watched him play back then? It's impossible to do now, but if we could all look at Stockton exactly as he was (or would have been) perceived after his first 5 years, the choice between him and Deron would be much less obvious, I spect. Back then, or at least part of those times, he was kinda like Eric Maynor--a very promising back-up point guard. Initial opinions of, and expectations for, him were so low that he was booed when the Jazz picked him in the draft, ya know?
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carolinajazz
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...the ONLY reason, and I mean the ONLY reason Stockton didn't score more or as much as Deron is scoring is simply because he had Malone and didn't HAVE to! Same with the rebounds!
Deron can dunk. + 1 for Deron
jimmy eat jazz
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So why is 6'9" not a pure point guard? What's the cutoff, then, for someone to be a pure point guard: 6'4", 6'5", 6'6", etc?
Stockton could have played the 2-guard if called upon to do so. Does that not, by your argument, qualify him as non-pure.
Sorry, but that's an asinine argument.
Yep, Stockton had better careers assists and steels, but Magic directed the show (and was the heart) of 5 championship teams.
Being the field general for championship teams is no less an important stat for point guards, pure or otherwise.
Malone took Stockton from being a good solid all star point guard to HOF status.
carolinajazz
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....and visa versa! Without Stockton, Malone isn't second on the all-time scoring list....maybe top 10....but certainly not 2nd!
If only that were true. Had Stockton had a little more of Deron's desire/ability to take over the scoring burden, I wonder if the Jazz might have had a championship banner hanging from the rafters. Game 6 against Houston showed that Stockton could do it, but he rarely did it. Had he looked for a few more shots instead of a few more assists, the team could have really been something. I will always feel like Stockton left something on the table, in that regard.
Hopper
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Yeah, Blood, there's pros and cons to always "deferring to teammates," eh? Being aggressive can, in itself, do a lot to open up things for teammates, I figure. I remember Pearl declaring that if Deron took more shots than Stockton did (about 11 a game, as I recall) the Jazz would be a lost cause. I questioned his assertion, but I don't remember him changing his opinion any about the matter.
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carolinajazz
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....Stockton did what he was suppose to do, get his teammates good high percentage shots! Scoring and shooting a high percentage was never the problem with those Jazz teams! They just needed alittle more defense here and there and a few breaks from the refs!!!
Hopper
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I'm not sayin it's wrong, but, in certain ways, Stockton just didn't want to take on any more responsibility than he felt he had to. Sloan always called the plays, for example. Not because he didn't trust Stockton to do it, or didn't afford Stockton that chance, but because Stockton insisted that he wanted Sloan, not himself, to call the plays.
ncoloradojazz
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This isn't tennis bro.
carolinajazz
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Lakers_Slapper
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Very hard to say because of how young deron is. But stockton proved to be solid all the way through the end of his career. And became what I feel is the best point guard in the history of the nba. Deron has better power, speed, footwork, and stamina. Stockton was better in crunch time, better hands, iq, and is a better leader. But I like how Deron is willing to call the plays and take the load on his shoulders whether the jazz win or loose. Stockton did a great job of carrying out Jerry Sloans plays. But if it didn't work out, you couldn't point your finger at stock because jerrys the one the set up every play of the game.
Hopper
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One advantage to having the point guard call the plays, assuming that he does an adequate job of it, at least, is that you avoid the inevitable delays involved in having the point guard check the bench for the signal before proceeding. Sloan and Deron both realize this, of course.