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Jazz trade Devin Harris to Atlanta for Marvin Williams (merged)
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You are right. I was counting this season as next.
Darkwing Duck
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Araujo.
Twin Towers
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Harris vs Mo Williams
Harris is not a good defender anymore. He was actually bad last year. His 3 is below average and his slashing isn't what it used to be.
Williams is better at the 3 and almost the same on the other categories. I like it.
Marvin Williams
Way better than what we have. Better 3 point shooter and better defender. Longer and more athletic and he is not injury prone. He was also the 4th option on team that didn't pass much. We pass more and he will get more looks with the Jazz.
KOC did an amazing job
D-Will & Okur Traded for
Mo Williams, Marvin Williams, Kanter, Favors, Golden State Pick
Harris is not a good defender anymore. He was actually bad last year. His 3 is below average and his slashing isn't what it used to be.
Williams is better at the 3 and almost the same on the other categories. I like it.
Marvin Williams
Way better than what we have. Better 3 point shooter and better defender. Longer and more athletic and he is not injury prone. He was also the 4th option on team that didn't pass much. We pass more and he will get more looks with the Jazz.
KOC did an amazing job
D-Will & Okur Traded for
Mo Williams, Marvin Williams, Kanter, Favors, Golden State Pick
Darkwing Duck
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It's the reverse. Williams gets 8.2 this upcoming season and 7.5 the next that he can opt out of.
spycam1
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I agree with this, except for the Dwight part.
If this trade actually happens, then I'd say KOC has done a pretty fine job so far in the offseason. But like Bluesy said, arguably the biggest problem still remains--the log jam down low. Let's hope KOC can pull another rabbit out of his hat.
UGLI baby
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Thats what I thought, but I hesitated because it didnt seem like the years matched up. +rep
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Brian T. Smith: Harris-Williams trade has not been finalized but both sides are hopeful it will go through. Twitter
Although I don't care much for M.W., I'm going fanatical and calling bull **** as this trade is excellent on so many levels. Jazz have zero small forwards and zero point guards. Might as well fill one hole. I'm a huge fan of creating teams that mesh, even if it means getting slightly less value in a trade. O'Connor is giving us hints on what he's going to do with The Logjam.
framer
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Perimeter defense and shooting upgraded, essentially for Harris as the only price paid. Still have Jefferson and GS pick to play with. With Hibbert getting Max, Jefferson has some value, especially as an expiring. I wonder if The Utah-ATL trade phone call started with ATL looking at Al's expiring, and moved on to what we ended up with. I have to believe the Atlanta deal was discussed before we picked up Williams #1.
Gyp Rosetti
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Personally I think you're nuts if you think Burks is starting at the 2 and Williams is coming off the bench. Hayward will start at the 2 and Williams at the 3 imo.
vslice02
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Short-term this is a good move in that it fills a pressing need while only costing Utah at a position they had a surplus in. Longterm I'll only like this move if Marvin Williams does not exercise his $7.5 million player-option in 2013. Granted it's a small step back from the $8.3 mil he's due this year, but he was still an overpaid wing who is solid but not extraordinary in any particular area. It's a much better move for ATL in that it further enables them to make a run for Dwight Howard - or at the very least become a player in the summer of 2013. As for the Jazz...it definitely cuts into a chunk of that 2013 cap space they were looking at.
UGLI baby
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I think its a definite possibility that he opts out after this year. If he does, what are we going to do with the eleventy jillion dollars in cap space that we have? Sign 3 max free agents?
Gyp Rosetti
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I like our size if nothing else. We have a solid frontcourt already and adding Williams at the 3 with Hayward at the 2 makes us long as hell. Looking simply at his career stats, his assists per game are a little bit of a concern for me. How is his ball movement? And while I read here that he's solid on defense, I wonder how good. His personal fouls per game is very low so I almost wonder if he's not aggressive enough. Because that's what I want. Aggressive, nasty, in your face, won't back down from no one mother ****ers. Doubt he's that. Again, anyone who can provide some insight on the guy will get some rep from me. KKKarolina? Your trailer park's down that way, no?
Mr. McGibblets
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Quit bitching people. The other thread is titled "Possible trade" and it is 7 pages long. Starting a new thread after the deal is done is fine. If a mod altered the other thread's title to indicate that the "possible trade" happened then I'd understand your complaining. Otherwise, quit whining. I hate when people refer me to threads with hundreds of posts already and expect me to go there for some new/updated/breaking news.
OP - thanks for posting! And, I like the trade. Mo Williams is about the same or better than Devin at the point. And I like having a better 3 than we have now (allowing hayward to play the 2) than two equal caliber PGs.
Here is Hollingers take on him:
+ Passive combo forward with good midrange shot. Excellent finisher in transition.
+ Long-armed wing defender who needs to add strength. Can play 4 in a pinch.
+ Decent lateral movement; solid defender who often guards opponent's best wing.
Williams is a perfectly decent small forward, which would be totally fine if he hadn't been the second overall pick and then got a five-year, $35 million contract when his rookie deal expired. Compared to those expectations, he's been a disappointment. His lack of improvement over the past three seasons has been particularly deflating; despite a sign here and a flash there, his production hasn't budged an inch.
The best thing going for Williams is his midrange jumper -- he made 43.7 percent of his long 2s last season. However, he's been unable to extend his range to the 3-point line, which would make a huge difference for him in efficiency. Although Williams doesn't look for his offense, his size and athleticism often force opposing wings to foul him; he averaged 0.32 free throw attempts per field goal attempt without being terribly aggressive or tricky. Again, this tantalizes, but no turning of the corner appears in the offing.
Defensively, it's a similar story. Williams is a good, solid 3 with outstanding length and reasonable mobility, but he's not a guy who eats nails for breakfast. You don't want to match him up against top-notch scorers every night, although the Hawks often were forced to.
Basically, this is what he is. He's 25 and he hasn't progressed in three years. He'll have a nice career as a sometime starter at the 3, but I think we can stop projecting beyond that.
vslice02
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You can use a massive amount of cap room for alot more than simply signing players to max-contracts. Excessive space is what landed Rajon Rondo in Boston, Serge Ibaka in OKC and Gordon Hayward in Utah.
I think it's more likely Marvin opts in knowing he won't land a $7.5 million salary elsewhere and will still only be 28 yrs old when he hits the market again in 2014, but best-case scenario the change of scenery lights a fire inside of Marvin and it all comes together for him and he has an outstanding season in Utah which would encourage him to opt-out and test the market. One thing I do like about him is his size, length, and ability to guard both the 3 and 4. The way so many teams run screen-roll you have to have some interchangability in your wings and Marvin definitely provides us with some of that. Again short-term I like it but longterm I do have my doubts.