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Mission Accomplished said:
Ingles is the most overrated player on the team since Adam Keefe.

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latin jazz said:
He plays hard, defends well and moves the ball. He has lost his pick'n roll threat and therefore he is not getting to the rim. He is not getting easy assists either (it's not the same passing to Bradley, Ed Davis or Green). The shooting will improve.

Minny?Lol. They are a 7 or 8 seed at best. Likely to miss the playoffs.
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Yeah sure it will/should come but I stand by my statement that he's pretty worthless right now.

As far as us. I just don't think we've played that good of basketball for the majority of the season. Right now we're skimming by with talent alone. That'll change eventually but right now it's not good basketball.
 
Anybody who thinks Conley is a better PG than Rubio has lost there mind! Conley shot poorly again tonight, only had 6 assists and played P-Poor defense on whomever he covered. This trade for Conley may go down as the worst trade in Jazz history! Not only is Rubio a better passer than Conley, plays better defense but at this stage of his career is a better shooter than Conley and KNOWS how to run an offense! Of course, Donovan shot even worse tonight, but the fact remains, 30 million for Conley and 15 million for Rubio? You tell me who's lost there mind?
 
JazzyFresh said:
Yeah sure it will/should come but I stand by my statement that he's pretty worthless right now.

As far as us. I just don't think we've played that good of basketball for the majority of the season. Right now we're skimming by with talent alone. That'll change eventually but right now it's not good basketball.
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He is not at his best, agree. But he does other things that are still valuable.

He have played awful basketball so there is a lot of room for improvement.
 
latin jazz said:
We have a very intricate offense.
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Why? How intricate of an offense do you really need to finish with 48-49 wins? As another posted pointed out above, we tend to be a middling team in terms of offensive efficiency so I don't see why it's so important to have an intricate offense?

Which brings me to something I've been thinking about. Snyder has been here long enough to be the 9th most tenured NBA coach with his current team. Has there ever been a point where you could describe the Jazz offense as anything more than middling? How long is this going to take?
 
JimLes said:
Why? How intricate of an offense do you really need to finish with 48-49 wins? As another posted pointed out above, we tend to be a middling team in terms of offensive efficiency so I don't see why it's so important to have an intricate offense?

Which brings me to something I've been thinking about. Snyder has been here long enough to be the 9th most tenured NBA coach with his current team. Has there ever been a point where you could describe the Jazz offense as anything more than middling? How long is this going to take?
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I think this has to be the year that we figure this out. In the past we could point to our rosters lack of scoring punch as to why our offense struggled. A poor shooting PG/Favors and Gobert clogging the paint/relying on a rookie to bear the scoring burden/etc.

There aren't really any excuses anymore.
 
JimLes said:
Why? How intricate of an offense do you really need to finish with 48-49 wins? As another posted pointed out above, we tend to be a middling team in terms of offensive efficiency so I don't see why it's so important to have an intricate offense?

Which brings me to something I've been thinking about. Snyder has been here long enough to be the 9th most tenured NBA coach with his current team. Has there ever been a point where you could describe the Jazz offense as anything more than middling? How long is this going to take?
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Utah is supposed to have one of the bigger playbooks (if not the biggest). Well, Lowe made a point about this before the season: that perhaps it was an opportunity for Quin to simplify the offense a bit.

In the past the offense was this way in order to create good shoots for pretty limited players/lack of spacing (Ingles at the beginning, Favors, Rubio, Exum, etc).

More than middling? Mmm, the offense with Haywood, Hill, Joe Johnson, Rudy, Joe, Diaw was pretty good. The offense adapted to the players' strengths. I imagine it will take a couple of months, just like in previous seasons. I hope so.
 
JimLes said:
How does that not apply to any other team? The Lakers and the Celtics are both full of new players. The Heat are at 9-3 being led by two rookies and a hot-headed malcontent they just signed. Hell, the Jazz are doing as well as the Suns, who have the guy we blamed for doing poorly last season AND their #1 pick was suspended for roiding it up.

I mean, how complex is this freaking offense?
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There is a difference between the offensive situations of say the Lakers and Celtics and the offensive situation of the Jazz FWIW.

Anthony Davis had virtually no adjustment to make in his transition to the Lakers. He was a high volume scorer before and he still is. Role is virtually unchanged. He and LeBron couldn't really have possibly stepped on each others toes since one plays inside, one plays outside.

Kemba went from undisputed #1 option on the Hornets straight into a situation where he is the undisputed #1 option on the Celtics.

The Jazz are trying to bring together three perimeter players who were the #1 options of each of their respective teams the previous season. Obviously that's going to have a larger adjustment period. Each is going to be trying to avoid stepping on the toes of the other two. Building chemistry is going to take longer.
 
Dark days... DM was rough... Teams have figured out how to guard us. The ball needs to be kicked out more... and the floaters... my gawd the floaters.

The ball isn’t moving at all right now. I will bet you Jeff Green has more shot attempts than passes.

Quin needs to have a long film session tomorrow.
 
Zombie said:
I think this has to be the year that we figure this out. In the past we could point to our rosters lack of scoring punch as to why our offense struggled. A poor shooting PG/Favors and Gobert clogging the paint/relying on a rookie to bear the scoring burden/etc.

There aren't really any excuses anymore.
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They never should have been that has always been a poor argument.

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The difference in the game was basically Towns drilling several 3s in the last 6 minutes of the game. At the same time, our guys had a hard time getting good looks or knocking down the looks they got.
 
infection said:
Sure it can. He sucked so bad that we had to play Jeff Green at center. Jeff Green sucked for and in behalf of Tony Bradley, who was on the bench.
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This... he’s in year 3 peoples and he still can’t be trusted for 10-12 solid minutes. If we aren’t going to play him ahead of other options, for the third year in a row, then why is he still on the roster and why pick up his option?
 
I do think part of Bradley not playing was to get Dante some minutes and keep Green at his normal minute allocation.
 
latin jazz said:
Utah is supposed to have one of the bigger playbooks (if not the biggest). Well, Lowe made a point about this before the season: that perhaps it was an opportunity for Quin to simplify the offense a bit.

In the past the offense was this way in order to create good shoots for pretty limited players/lack of spacing (Ingles at the beginning, Favors, Rubio, Exum, etc).

More than middling? Mmm, the offense with Haywood, Hill, Joe Johnson, Rudy, Joe, Diaw was pretty good. The offense adapted to the players' strengths. I imagine it will take a couple of months, just like in previous seasons. I hope so.
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The 2015-16 and 2016-17 Jazz were both 28th in offense. Which year are you referring to?
 
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