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Jazz vs Clippers - October 30, 21:30 CET/14:30MDT

fishonjazz said:
This. All this.
Diaw pre season was fools gold. Lyles has looked really good many times on this jazz team.

I expect diaw to suck and expect Lyles to be much better than he has been. Hopefully when favors is fully ready to go diaw will ride pine all game. Favors, Rudy, and Lyles should be able to play all the 4/5 minutes.
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I expect Lyles to be very trigger-happy and shoot a very low percentage - well below 45% from the field - for the season. Also, he seems to be falling in love with the 3 point shot, which will take away from him what makes him special, his ability to created for himself from the high post area. But I agree with your other point: Diaw will suck big time. He is a 12th man at this stage of his career.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
It's not panic time but we certainly can be concerned with how gawd awful the offense has been.

I'm beginning to believe Quin's offense is part of the issue... would be nice to see what it looks like with Gordon out there but we seem to be stagnant on offense and end taking terrible shots up against the shot clock.
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This. From what people in the league say and by listening to him, I think Snyder is a brilliant guy, but somehow the offense that he created clearly sucks. Perhaps he should have hired an offensive coordinator or something like that. Someone specialized in making the offense work.
 
LogGrad98 said:
What happened to all the optimism for the new guys?

Stoked get in here and get these people in line.
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The new guys, sans Diaw, have been fine. We've mostly had the same problem as last year, with injuries to Hayward, Burks and Favors we have very little bench depth. Get them all back and off of minutes restrictions and our depth becomes a positive. It was going to be tough to be better than 1-2 at this point before the injuries, with them we are right about where we should be. No big deal to me, way too early for all this DRAMA.
 
If you think this game result, and reaction is frustrating and bad just waiting until after the Spurs game.

They are going to tear us a new one.
 
Revolution 9 said:
If you think this game result, and reaction is frustrating and bad just waiting until after the Spurs game.

They are going to tear us a new one.
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I think you'll see a replay of the Portland game on Tuesday - Jazz will be in it most of the way and then tail off.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
It's not panic time but we certainly can be concerned with how gawd awful the offense has been.

I'm beginning to believe Quin's offense is part of the issue... would be nice to see what it looks like with Gordon out there but we seem to be stagnant on offense and end taking terrible shots up against the shot clock.
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Couple of tweets by Ben Dowsett:

"The Jazz have generated 52 open or wide open3s, per SportVU data - 17.3 per game. They've hit just under 31% on those."

"For reference, the Jazz as a team shot over 38% on these shots last year. Then added 3 mid 30s 3-point shooters this offseason."

We are getting open looks, just not falling. Which seems to be a league wide problem right now per Ben Dowsett:

"Jazz % on open(32.1%), wide open 3s (29.2%) ranks 12th and 20th respectively. - would have ranked 29th and 30th respectively last yr."

Two killer teams, on the road, injured... Sucks to lose them both but I'm not panicked. Take some breaths
 
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NUMBERICA said:
75 points. 75.

At some point, criticism of Snyder has to start sticking.
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75, yikes.

Glad there was a competing sporting event and I didn't watch.
Kentucky put up 108 in the shorter 40 minute game.

Okay... I realize I didn't need to add that last sentence.
 
Just caught the replay. Diaw's minutes have to get cut, teams are anticipating what he's going to do... Give the minutes to Trey and the Joe's
 
Top 4 seeds like you and many around here where hyping you have to win games against teams like these. If not your not a top 4 team and your looking at 7 and 8th spot or lottery and at that point you better wwith hoping for the lottery and getting lucky with the balls because this teams gets swept, maybe wins one first round playoff game. is it even worth it at that point id be asking myself to make the playoffs. As I have always said the Jazz need a go To All Star player. look at how lillard puts up wins for Portland. A Team full of role players simply doesn't get it done.


Stoked said:
Couple of tweets by Ben Dowsett:

"The Jazz have generated 52 open or wide open3s, per SportVU data - 17.3 per game. They've hit just under 31% on those."

"For reference, the Jazz as a team shot over 38% on these shots last year. Then added 3 mid 30s 3-point shooters this offseason."

We are getting open looks, just not falling. Which seems to be a league wide problem right now per Ben Dowsett:

"Jazz % on open(32.1%), wide open 3s (29.2%) ranks 12th and 20th respectively. - would have ranked 29th and 30th respectively last yr."

Two killer teams, on the road, injured... Sucks to lose them both but I'm not panicked. Take some breaths
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Forgive if I give Quin's offense a second look once Diaw isn't running into our guards mid-set and Mack isn't dribbling the clock out.


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This is why the idiots that are pushing for everyone to shoot threes are crazy. This is a fad that will pass. Did you see Blake Griffin shooting those deep twos the league is playing copy cat to a team that has the players to play from outside. In all the years of basketball the GS warriors are an outlier they haven't figured out anything special they are just making there shots. Besides Joe Johnson and Joe Ingles our team is not making them consistently. As for Lyles his shot is looking good but he is turning into a one dimensional player. Boris and him should not be on the court at the same time it is like having two Kanters on the floor.
 
Mission Accomplished said:
This is why the idiots that are pushing for everyone to shoot threes are crazy. This is a fad that will pass. Did you see Blake Griffin shooting those deep twos the league is playing copy cat to a team that has the players to play from outside. In all the years of basketball the GS warriors are an outlier they haven't figured out anything special they are just making there shots. Besides Joe Johnson and Joe Ingles our team is not making them consistently. As for Lyles his shot is looking good but he is turning into a one dimensional player. Boris and him should not be on the court at the same time it is like having two Kanters on the floor.
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I am all for shooting more threes within an offense if you have the personnel to support it, but not at the expense at getting other high percentage shots. Quin's offense does a good job of getting good open 3's, I will say that, but it doesn't get a lot of other easy hoops. I miss watching an offense that makes all 5 defenders work hard on every possession.

Teams used to hate playing us because our sets were simple, but worked well, and made the defenders work hard. I don't see that anymore.
 
JAZZGASM said:
I am all for shooting more threes within an offense if you have the personnel to support it, but not at the expense at getting other high percentage shots. Quin's offense does a good job of getting good open 3's, I will say that, but it doesn't get a lot of other easy hoops. I miss watching an offense that makes all 5 defenders work hard on every possession.

Teams used to hate playing us because our sets were simple, but worked well, and made the defenders work hard. I don't see that anymore.
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It's probably David Locke's fault. He's always preaching about how what really matters is how many 3's you take. Quin must have gotten really bored or desperate over the summer and listened to one of Locke's podcasts.
 
JAZZGASM said:
I am all for shooting more threes within an offense if you have the personnel to support it, but not at the expense at getting other high percentage shots. Quin's offense does a good job of getting good open 3's, I will say that, but it doesn't get a lot of other easy hoops. I miss watching an offense that makes all 5 defenders work hard on every possession.

Teams used to hate playing us because our sets were simple, but worked well, and made the defenders work hard. I don't see that anymore.
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A lot of that was that the defensive rules were different. I'm not sure those same sets are anywhere near as effective without those Illegal defense rules. We needed Memo to make the Deron/Boozer group work, and it only worked to a degree. The S and M group played under different rules.
 
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