Jazz vs Denver! Tonight 7pm.

[colton]

To reiterate, trading Marv and RJ does nothing to harm your longterm prospects, even if it's for nothing.

Not necessarily--given their salaries, teams might not be willing to part with nothing... they might want the Jazz to trade Marv or RJ, plus a pick, in return for nothing. Or maybe they'd want to trade the Jazz back a mediocre player with a fairly large salary, with longer left on his contract. And either of those would harm the Jazz's long term prospects.

 

[colton]

im wit u bro its just frustratin when trade doesnt neccasarily HAVE to be made--since coach can control rotations.

This is true, and valid--except for Corbin doesn't have a contract past this year so he's got no incentive to tank. So, should the Jazz extend Corbin just to help the tank?

 

[Diamond77]

So, should the Jazz extend Corbin just to help the tank?

In theory yes, but in practice I hope they get rid of him asap.

I think the Core5 needs a seasoned coach. I vote Lionel Hollins.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Not necessarily--given their salaries, teams might not be willing to part with nothing... they might want the Jazz to trade Marv or RJ, plus a pick, in return for nothing. Or maybe they'd want to trade the Jazz back a mediocre player with a fairly large salary, with longer left on his contract. And either of those would harm the Jazz's long term prospects.

Thanks, professor. I guess I should've clarified that trading away actual assets to obtain nothing would be a bad strategy.

And in case it wasn't clear: "nothing" doesn't literally mean literally nothing. It means trading Richard Jefferson for Andrew Bynum and waving him. Or Richard Jefferson for Ben Gordon. It's trading a useful, overpaid player for a useless overpaid player (and maybe pick up SOME kind of asset in the process [2nd rounder or something of similar quality]).

Or you could just cut them, but then you couldn't pretend you weren't tanking anymore.

 

[NUMBERICA]

This is true, and valid--except for Corbin doesn't have a contract past this year so he's got no incentive to tank. So, should the Jazz extend Corbin just to help the tank?

Of course not. You could fire him, though.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Of course not. You could fire him, though.

That's what I would do. I think Ty is counter-productive to long-term interests beyond the tank. I just don't think he's done a good job managing the young guys and this team is dependent on those said young guys succeeding. Move on, play the young guys a lot more minutes and let them develop chemistry regardless of wins or losses. I'd LOVE to see the Core5 beast out and look like legit NBA starters (together) for the rest of the year, but I don't see that happening under Ty. I'd move on (even though the Millers won't) promote Jensen or Bird and then start to turn my focus towards landing the best coach that I can get moving forward.

 

[framer]

If you weren't ready to fire Ty at 1 and 15, you certainly can't fire him now that they are playing over .500 ball. That would be a huge stain on the organization. Obviously you could part ways at the end of the season without any real repercussions.

 

[colton]

Of course not. You could fire him, though.

"Sorry, you are winning too many games. You're fired."

--> How do you think the next coach the Jazz attempted to hire would react, if that's the way they treated Corbin?

 

[colton]

If you weren't ready to fire Ty at 1 and 15, you certainly can't fire him now that they are playing over .500 ball. That would be a huge stain on the organization. Obviously you could part ways at the end of the season without any real repercussions.

Yes, this.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Yes, this.

Or you could just say that it hasn't turned around like you were hoping. Or point to the overall record. In-the-know people would be wise to what was really going on, but the casual fan wouldn't know jack.

 

[NUMBERICA]

"Sorry, you are winning too many games. You're fired."

--> How do you think the next coach the Jazz attempted to hire would react, if that's the way they treated Corbin?

"Sorry, your developmental abilities leave a lot to be desired. We didn't cut a bunch of better veteran players loose so that you could resurrect the careers of worse ones."

 

[Coach Ellis]

If you weren't ready to fire Ty at 1 and 15, you certainly can't fire him now that they are playing over .500 ball. That would be a huge stain on the organization. Obviously you could part ways at the end of the season without any real repercussions.

They can't (and won't) fire Ty Corbin. At best, they will let him ruin the tank and continue to fail to develop young players like Burks and Kanter (and probably Gobert) while leaning heavily on vets that DL won't bring back. This is why I would have fired him back when things were at their worst. There were already signs that he was continuing to favor the vets over core guys early on and it's only gotten worse as the season progresses. Now that Burks has had a couple of good games, watch him go back to the bench and have his minutes go down. It's a pattern that we've seen before.

IMO, the only realistic option that DL has is to continue to gut the team by trading vets who get too many minutes for assets and FORCING Corbin to rely on the young guys more than he has to right now. There's only good results from that scenario. They either compete and rally together which helps them play together in the future, or you get a top draft pick, land an elite player to build around. It would be best if they play well together, but struggled to win because the bench is not good enough to compete.

 

[Coach Ellis]

"Sorry, you are winning too many games. You're fired."

--> How do you think the next coach the Jazz attempted to hire would react, if that's the way they treated Corbin?

Or you could just leave it that the young guys aren't playing as much as is needed for future development and defensive improvements that you're being graded on simply aren't good enough. Thank you for your services.

DL is an analytics guy. I don't see Ty as being a highly analytical coach. I'm sure they could present numbers right now that would support whatever decision they wanted to make.

 

[Primetime]

Your wish for perfectly consistent USG% every single game is one of the most puzzling desires I've read here, and that's saying a lot.

They don't have to be perfect and I have nor problems with RJ or Marv at all but this season the core group should have the highest USG% so the FO can evaluate who had a high USG% and still is effectiv.

 

[Primetime]

From Kanterfanz.com definition list:

beasting
v.tr.

11 points on 10 shots, 4 boards

"there was beasting on the court", "Kanter beasted 4 rebounds out of 9000 possible"

Come on frankin. Oldtimeer was talking about the last 5 games and not just about this game. And he is not that wrong although I wouldn't call it "beasting". And I even show you his stats for the last 7 games.

Advanced stats for his last 7 games(since LAC game):

- That would make him just 1 of 43 players that have +25 USG% and +20 MIN
- That would make him just 1 of 2 players that have +25 USG% and +20 REB%
- That would make him just 1 of 13 players that have +25 USG% and +.500 eFG%
- That would make him just 1 of 7 players that have +20 MIN and +20 REB%

So it's actually not a bad stretch for Enes now it's just time to do that **** for a longer period of time.