Jazz vs Nets | Wednesday November 17th @ 7pm
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Hopper
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"Utah's rotation is still not cemented. But it is becoming increasingly clear that Jeremy Evans and Kyrylo Fesenko are the 11th and 12th men. That's not a knock on either player. Both have played well since training camp and made significant contributions. But Gordon Hayward has recently edged Evans, while Francisco Elson is becoming more familiar in Utah's second unit than Fesenko."
https://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogsjazznotes/50701258-62/utah-jazz-bell-jefferson.html.csp
Uh, oh. Time for the Fess fanboyz to start callin Elson names agin, eh?
https://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogsjazznotes/50701258-62/utah-jazz-bell-jefferson.html.csp
Uh, oh. Time for the Fess fanboyz to start callin Elson names agin, eh?
Nice try Hackatron. Ive got no problems with Elson. I do think Fes' size is better suited to make a difference in the game though.
"Should be noted, though, that Evans and Fesenko are also coming off minor injuries."
InGameStrategy
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Might as well be called "benevolence," just like leaving AJ in games where he doesn't help defend or box out might as well be called "ignorance."
Speaking of "ignorance," go4 just got through saying that Fesenko "participated fully," and you come back with this garbage. After all this time, although you have some entertaining and even sometimes thoughtful posts at other times, I still don't know if comments like this are obliviousness, part of some inattentive schtick, apologism of Sloan unfettered by facts, a reflex reaction, or a combination. When you have been pressed on it before, apologism seems to have been a frequent element, even though no leader in any field is immune from flaws, and even though history is rife with examples of leaders and protagonists with fatal ones.
In this case, Fes was probably spared because of the recent injury, and Elson did OK anyway & got decent minutes, and the Jazz won--the most important part. But Jersey still outrebounded Utah badly, besting them on both offensive and defensive boards. Jefferson continues to display OK-looking stat lines, but 9 RBs is pretty low for a center playing nearly 35 minutes. Lopez's height was tough to contain, but if it is tough, that's when you bring in more height and strength for a bit and see what happens.
Hopper
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Read much, eh, S2?
Word is, Sloan gave a pre-game "speech," consisting of two sentences, in the lockerroom and that Fess, "fully participated," along with the rest of the team, in listening to it, too. Aint the first time you've read, or "explained," things in a very selective, distorted manner, then accused others of ignorance and "garbage" for not sharing your delusions, eh, S2?
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Hopper
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Well, we all knowwed already that you caint read nuthin, Vinny, but chime right on in there, eh?
InGameStrategy
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I never said practice. Is a two-sentence speech what you call "shootaround"? Is the Gettysburg address an entire practice for you, then?
In the post-game interview, Phil Johnson explained that the team hasn't been doing much practicing lately (further dimming the argument that practice be used as a major basis for game time, not that Sloan has used it as such consistently in the past). But if Fes participated in shootaround, sometimes a more significant factor than practice, then it begs the question why he wasn't used in the game.
I'm actually OK that he sat, given that he got elbowed (and given that Utah won and that AJ was less bad than usual, even though the rebounding differential is a giant Mississippi red flag). So given that Sloan has an alibi, and the team had a victory, I'm not gonna press the issue on this game regarding Fes's time, even though any game in which a developing player doesn't get meaningful minutes is stagnation at best and sometimes regression. Kosta Koufos can tell you all about that.
Your ignorance is only surpassed by your stupidity
Fes was ESA at 9:00 am and didn't leave until 11:15 am. During this period they ran all sorts of practice drills. Running, shooting etc. It is called a shootaround. This is held every game day unless it is a back-to-back. Do you really think they need 2 hrs 15 mins to listen to coach? Quit being the moron that you seem intent on proving yourself to be.
Fes was ESA at 9:00 am and didn't leave until 11:15 am. During this period they ran all sorts of practice drills. Running, shooting etc. It is called a shootaround. This is held every game day unless it is a back-to-back. Do you really think they need 2 hrs 15 mins to listen to coach? Quit being the moron that you seem intent on proving yourself to be.
Still waiting to hear when your double elbow experience fits within your schedule. You can even bring tylenol, aspirin or motrin ahead of time.
Coloradojazzfan
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Jazz won, Sloan is better than you. Cry yourself to sleep psudo-Jazz fans.
Marty McFly
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Fes should always play before Smellson. Not even close. This is one of the things I hate about Jerry.
Chad Feldheimer
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Jazz out rebounded 57-44. Kris Humphries 15 rebs. Jazz are amazingly bad on rebounding, such a contrast from last year.
NJ only shoots 37%
Jazz did a good job will only 5 TOs.
ugly win.
NJ only shoots 37%
Jazz did a good job will only 5 TOs.
ugly win.
Hopper
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"On Tuesday, the Jazz had a rare day of practice, which they haven't had in a week since leaving last Monday for a four-games-in-five-nights stretch in the Southeast...Williams said after Monday's game that he was looking forward to practicing. At Tuesday's practice, Williams expounded on that, saying the Jazz need to work on "concentration (and) executing for the whole game, being in the right spots and then playing defense for the whole game, talking, communicating."
The newspaper reported, accurately, that Fess missed this practice. But whaddaya git from the Fess homers? Claims that anybuddy who believes the newspaper don't know nuthin, deceptively-worded apologies designed to give the impression (which some chumps, like, S2, bite on, like HARD) that Fess did participate in the practice, and ultimately, once that fails, an Allen Iverson "we just talkin bout practice," dismissal.
Alla yawl homers crack my *** plumb UP, I tellya!
The newspaper reported, accurately, that Fess missed this practice. But whaddaya git from the Fess homers? Claims that anybuddy who believes the newspaper don't know nuthin, deceptively-worded apologies designed to give the impression (which some chumps, like, S2, bite on, like HARD) that Fess did participate in the practice, and ultimately, once that fails, an Allen Iverson "we just talkin bout practice," dismissal.
Alla yawl homers crack my *** plumb UP, I tellya!
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Hopper
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Like I done said...time for the Fess fanboyz to start callin Elson names agin, eh?
btw, ya done misquoted me in your sig. I aint never said Fess sucks.
Fess homers, they suck, sure, but Fess don't.
So, if ya wanna quote me, change that to "Fess fanboyz suck," eh? But that aint the way fanboyz play. Anybuddy who doesn't readily acknowledge that their boy is more better than Jordan is, in effect, sayin they boy sucks, the way they see thangs.
I'll give S2 credit for his ambition, at least. He don't stop at dissin Fess's competitor for back-up minutes, he goes straight to the top and maligns the starter (who has wrongfully usurped his boyz proper place). Jefferson has 16 pts, 9 rebounds. If Fess done that, his fanboyz would immediately be pimpin him for league MVP. But if Jefferson does it, then, per S2, that is merely "less bad than usual." Go figure, eh?
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InGameStrategy
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First of all, the article doesn't say that Fes didn't practice; it just said that two or three players weren't at full strength. Maybe a reasonable inference, but it never stated (and you never cited the article by the way, which begs the question as to whether you were talking out of your azz).
But I never said that he didn't practice the day before. I was referring to the day of, and then further clarified that by offering the notion that a shootaround can approximate a practice in terms of relevance, especially since that it is the day of. Go4 said that Fes rode the bike in practice; I wonder if he (and AK, too) participated in the film session.
This article also confirmed what I cited that practice has been few and far between, making it a data point but also an inconsistent basis for a major indicator of in-game performance. I don't see that Elson's performance has been significantly better than Fes's, although Elson produced some much-needed rebounds in the last game and has logged more rebounds overall. I also didn't protest Sloan's decision to go with Elson instead of Fes in the last game, although I did protest the laxity with which the players on the court are allowed to play even when they are dogging it.
So I don't owe you squat.
Hopper
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Like I done axxed before, S2, read much? Ya think they aint never been but one article in the paper, that the idea? Very early in this very thread a newspaper article sayin: "Fesenko: Dizzyness, didn't practice; game-time decison" was cited.
If ya caint read, it won't do me no good to repeat what already done been writ, eh?