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There are several very intriguing prospects projected late first to mid-second. EXACTLY why you should always take BPA in the early lottery.
 
Kanter really needs to prove that he can play against someone. Last year, the top bigs in the draft--Favors, Cousins, Monroe, etc.--worked out against other players.

Kanter really should be willing to do a workout with Biyombo, Montejunas, and some other practice players.
 
coCKbloCKaLYpse said:
Exactly. You don't gamble with the #3 pick. Which is why I wouldn't use it on Kanter who has never faced meaningful US competition.
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Yea because the US U18 team had a bunch of stiffs. He played against the top young US team and dominated them. Guys like Sullinger, Barnes, etc. Of course he is a risk but so is everyone in this draft. What happens if DW can't play the SF then how many PFs do the Jazz have? WHat happens if Knight is a poor man's Kenyon Dooling or Devin Harris? Kanter 's coach said he would take him number 1. There is no can't miss player in this draft. Whoever is the BPA, then you take him. Right now Kanter should at least be in the conversation for the number one pick.
 
cowhide said:
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Yea because the US U18 team had a bunch of stiffs. He played against the top young US team and dominated them. Guys like Sullinger, Barnes, etc. Of course he is a risk but so is everyone in this draft. What happens if DW can't play the SF then how many PFs do the Jazz have? WHat happens if Knight is a poor man's Kenyon Dooling or Devin Harris? Kanter 's coach said he would take him number 1. There is no can't miss player in this draft. Whoever is the BPA, then you take him. Right now Kanter should at least be in the conversation for the number one pick.
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I think Williams CAN play the 3. Quite well. We know Kanter can't. He is a PF, where we already have a log jam.

So Kanter played 1 exhibition game against the top guys when they were in HS? Not impressed. I'd much rather take my chances (and yes, I admit anyone is taking a chance) with a guy who has been tested over time against US competition in the US style game.
 
Yes, we have a log jam @ 4/5....it's called a trade people.

You draft the best player, and you have the most talent. The more talent you have, the more tradable assets you own.
We draft Kanter, and trade Sap or Al for a good wing or unprotected lottery pick in 2012.
 
Revolution 9 said:
Yes, we have a log jam @ 4/5....it's called a trade people.

You draft the best player, and you have the most talent. The more talent you have, the more tradable assets you own.
We draft Kanter, and trade Sap or Al for a good wing or unprotected lottery pick in 2012.
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I just am not sold on Kanter's talent. He looks awkward, and scared with the ball in many highlights I've seen.
 
Well, you don't draft Kanter and NOT trade one of your bigs. Jazz are stacked there so of course one of them needs to be traded.
And Kanter may prefer PF but he can play center.
 
Feldman has been saying this for awhile with knowledge from an "inside source", but I think it dates back to when they had the 6th pick. Its called artificially hyping a players stock so the player you really want gets passed on. KOC is sneaky like that.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Feldman has been saying this for awhile with knowledge from an "inside source", but I think it dates back to when they had the 6th pick. Its called artificially hyping a players stock so the player you really want gets passed on. KOC is sneaky like that.
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Yep. With how much talk there's been in how interested we are in Knight it makes it difficult for me to swallow the idea that it's for real, unless KOC has completely changed his strategies ove the past week. The only other explanation than the above is that perhaps he's just trying to keep the upper hand if someone like Minnesota wants to trade down and he can use the "well the guy we want will be there for us anyway" chip, not that that would really ever bring much to fruition.
 
It is because the jazz probably have no interest in trading down. At #3, they are in the perfect position. They get one of the top three guys in Irving, Williams, and Kanter...all of whom could be potentially great but have one or two questions still-lurking.

The drop from 3 to 4 is HUGE. Nobody else has superstar potential except for Marshon Brooks and he has WAY too many questions to take with a top 8 pick.
 
Hipporippo said:
It is because the jazz probably have no interest in trading down. At #3, they are in the perfect position. They get one of the top three guys in Irving, Williams, and Kanter...all of whom could be potentially great but have one or two questions still-lurking.

The drop from 3 to 4 is HUGE. Nobody else has superstar potential except for Marshon Brooks and he has WAY too many questions to take with a top 8 pick.
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Eh?
 
Probably because he dominated (over a period of years) in professional euro ball. Strange video title, but ..

When analyzing Jonas Valanciunas:
"That was the first of many epic showdowns Valanciunas would have with Turkish phenom Enes Kanter, and while the future Kentucky student had his way in New York City en route to 22 points, 17 rebounds and a well-deserved MVP award ..."From DraftExpress.com https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jonas-Valanciunas-5622/#ixzz1NYzICbWC
https://www.draftexpress.com

"Kanter was named the Most Valuable Player in the 2009 FIBA Europe Under-18 Championship, averaging 18.6 points and 16.4 rebounds while leading Turkey's junior national team to the bronze medal."

Reminder of who played in the Nike Hoops Summit (AGAINST ENES) that Kanter broke Dirk's record;
Harrison Barnes (future lottery pick)
Patric Young (future lottery pick)
Brandon Knight (future lottery pick)
Jarred Sullinger (future lottery pick)
Kyrie Irving (future lottery pick)
Terrence Jones (future lottery pick)
Kendall Marshall (future lottery pick)
Tobias Harris (borderline lottery pick)
Will Barton (future 1st rounder)
Reggie Bullock (future 1st rounder)

But, go ahead and ignore the body of work and choose to believe he's an experience future-bust.
 
cowhide said:
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Yea because the US U18 team had a bunch of stiffs. He played against the top young US team and dominated them. Guys like Sullinger, Barnes, etc. Of course he is a risk but so is everyone in this draft.
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This was one game, and it was an all star type of game. It wasn't organized basketball, like NCAA is. I think what's more important is his overall HS record than this game. And after high school he wasn't even a top prospect. He had reputation for being inconsistent (see nbadraft.net profile). Knight was a top prospect after HS. Then after Kanter lost entire year of development, while Knight led his team to #3 ranking in NCAA as a freshman, Kanter is top prospect and Knight is not? Of course every player has a risk, be it #1 overall or #60, but that doesn't mean that risk is the same for everyone, so you just ignore it. And in Kanter's case risk is enormous. In Europe he played in a crappy League, and didn't get any minutes there. He was young, OK, that is a valid excuse, but the fact is, we have no record there on any team. The only thing we have from Europe is his good jr performances, U18 MVP, and it's good and all, but someone like Koufos had even better numbers in U18 tourney. Nobodies like Sani Becirovic and Giorgios Diamantopoulos set records there that still stand. Every year there are several jr tournaments, with several MVPs, whose names you never heard of and never will hear of. It's a nice thing to have, but this is not even an indication guys can play 3d string in NBA, not to mention be a top pick. In US for Kanter we have inconsistent HS record and 1 great all star game. Then a year, where he could not play nor practice in NCAA. Good size, good combine, mixed scouts reports. Some say he is good, some (like in draft express profile page) compare him to Nicola Vucevic.

I just don't see how a responsible organization can just look objectively at his record and say, yeah this is Karl Malone talent. I do see Calipari saying that, since he coached him and he realizes the guy has hype and may go high, and he pimped him up, especially after he missed a whole year in his program, and I am sure he wants to help as much as he can. Still it is good to know coach Cal likes the kid, but ... if you take out the hype and look at his HS record and Europe record (which is the only thing has has), I just don't think he jumps out as the top guy.
 
infection said:
Yep. With how much talk there's been in how interested we are in Knight it makes it difficult for me to swallow the idea that it's for real, unless KOC has completely changed his strategies ove the past week.
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I hope you're right 'cause all this talk of Knight or Walker has been freaking my out.
 
So he had a good game in an exhibition game and was a good high school player in Europe...sweet. I'd rather take the guy who played well over a full season of real games in the NCAA against US players, playing the US style of basketball that is played in the NBA.
 
coCKbloCKaLYpse said:
I just am not sold on Kanter's talent. He looks awkward, and scared with the ball in many highlights I've seen.
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Fair enough. It's fine to not be sold on Kanter. He hasn't played nearly enough games to be a sure thing.
I'm basing my love for him on the reports from writers, reports, and You Tube. That hardly is enough to be 100%
His health is also a legitimate concern.

I'm just curious which highlights he looks scared in though? He looks fine to me.
You also can't deny his desire or rebounding skill from all the reports out there.
The guy seems very motivated to get better, stayed all year to work out with Kentucky, etc.
 
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