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Jazz want a proven starting point guard for #3

Most teams committed to a total youth movement have no talent to begin with. And most of those teams don't get better trying to go with youth because the overwhelming majority of draft picks don't turn out to be anything special. Youth is a drug.

KOC has to figure out how to add to the talent we already have which is much better than the talent of most crappy teams. It might mean drafting the 'future' at 3. But if you can get the right guy, you definitely give up this year's 3.
 
We have proven starters with Jefferson Millsap and Harris. Just use our draft picks, we need two of our prospects (Hayward, Favors, #3(Kanter), #12(Fredette)) to have good years and we have a playoff squad.
 
To be honest, there isn't any PG (except Paul, DWill, Rose, Wall) that I'd trade the #3 (Knight) pick for..

Knight's not perfect. But wouldn't you rather have him than Rondo, Curry, Miller, etc?
 
Rumors were that we looked into trading Milsap for Nash and Lopez. I think we would have to throw in Raja to make it work but I would much rather do that than give up the 3 pick. Nash is old but he would be perfect to develop our players. He could help train a young point guard like Knight or Jimmer. He could help Favors to play pick and roll. If in my perfect world we did this trade then in the draft Williams fell to 3 and we drafted Jimmer at 12 we would have a solid team. Then we could trade harris for a decent wing player. I messed with this in 2k11 and Pacers offered me granger for Harris. I doubt in real life they would do this since they dont need a pg. Anyways our line up was great.

Nash Jimmer
Hayward Miles
Granger Williams
Favors Williams Okur
Jefferson Lopez Okur

Jimmer came off the bench early and hayward handled the ball a lot more and Jimmer played a little pick and roll with Jefferson
Nash played a lot with favors, Lopez and Williams
 
Jazzfanz said:
I would be open to moving Harris for Tony Parker, I wonder if the spurs would bite
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Parker is 29. And his contract is 5 years, max I'm assuming? Do we want to take that on? I assume those 5 years can be solid. Parker is a champion I would love to get him. Bell, Harris, S&T Miles for Parker?
 
Broncster said:
Rumors were that we looked into trading Milsap for Nash and Lopez. I think we would have to throw in Raja to make it work but I would much rather do that than give up the 3 pick. Nash is old but he would be perfect to develop our players. He could help train a young point guard like Knight or Jimmer. He could help Favors to play pick and roll. If in my perfect world we did this trade then in the draft Williams fell to 3 and we drafted Jimmer at 12 we would have a solid team. Then we could trade harris for a decent wing player. I messed with this in 2k11 and Pacers offered me granger for Harris. I doubt in real life they would do this since they dont need a pg. Anyways our line up was great.

Nash Jimmer
Hayward Miles
Granger Williams
Favors Williams Okur
Jefferson Lopez Okur

Jimmer came off the bench early and hayward handled the ball a lot more and Jimmer played a little pick and roll with Jefferson
Nash played a lot with favors, Lopez and Williams
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I remember hearing the Millsap for Lopez/Pietrus proposal but never heard any Nash deal. I might be willing to trade Millsap for Nash/Lopez. maybe. Nash basically comes in as a tutor to Fredette before he retires, while Lopez is a downgrade from Millsap but at least has size to be a true C. ...But I think the Jazz should retain their #3 pick.

I thought all the extra moves (Indiana) were not worth discussing since it was FANtasy.

Nash Jimmer
Hayward Miles Jimmer
Williams Hayward Miles
Favors Williams Okur
Jefferson Lopez Okur

or


Nash Jimmer
Hayward Miles Jimmer
Miles Hayward
Favors Kanter Okur
Jefferson Lopez Okur
 
Hotttnickkk said:
To be honest, there isn't any PG (except Paul, DWill, Rose, Wall) that I'd trade the #3 (Knight) pick for..

Knight's not perfect. But wouldn't you rather have him than Rondo, Curry, Miller, etc?
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Are you kidding me? I would easily give up Knight to get Rondo, and probably Curry too..
 
Trading the #3 pick for a 37-yr old PG whose best years are behind him and who was never a good defensive player to begin with, is a terrible idea. If you are competing for a championship NOW, then maybe. If you want to have a young PG for the next 5 years look at one of the following in no particular order:(not that any of them are readily available to come to the Jazz):
Wall
Westbrook
Rondo
Parker
Rose
Paul
Deron(ha ha)
Tyreke Evans

(Mike Conley and Stuckey would'nt be too bad either.)

Thats about it.
 
nothingbutnet said:
16 and 5 is awful for a point guard?
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With a FG% of just under 38 and just over a point per shot for his career? It's not just awful it's ****ing abysmal.

Jennings and Miles would taken turns shooting Utah out of games on almost a daily basis.
 
vj_74 said:
Trading the #3 pick for a 37-yr old PG whose best years are behind him and who was never a good defensive player to begin with, is a terrible idea. If you are competing for a championship NOW, then maybe. If you want to have a young PG for the next 5 years look at one of the following in no particular order:(not that any of them are readily available to come to the Jazz):
Wall
Westbrook
Rondo
Parker
Rose
Paul
Deron(ha ha)
Tyreke Evans

(Mike Conley and Stuckey would'nt be too bad either.)

Thats about it.
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Curry?
 
I think Curry for #3 is one of those trades where Golden State fans look at us at wonder how we could be so clueless and even think they'd be interested. I feel that way about a lot of our proposed trades... even the ones that may seem reasonable to us.
 
sportsnut1232 said:
Are you kidding me? I would easily give up Knight to get Rondo, and probably Curry too..
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I'm not kidding.

- Rondo - one dimensional. Can't shoot. Can't finish at the rim. Do we need another guard who can't shoot?
- Curry - wayyy too soft for our system. Can you see Curry setting up screens? Having said that I'd take him over Rondo.

I'm not a big fan of Knight - in fact I've been saying we should go with Kanter.

But with Knight's athleticism, shooting, ability to finish at the rim and his willingness to get better and learn?

I'd rather go with Knight.
 
Hey guys, if we get Nash, maybe we can get Shaq and Malone to come out of retirement. Maybe Horny too? That would be sick. Let's see LeBron and Wade handle Nash, Shaq and Malone with Horny draining threes in their faces. That would be sweet.


I would be pissed if Utah traded for Nash.
 
I agree. Stated in another thread that the only validity I could find to trading down would be to maybe snag Knight (or whomever) lower than 3 and pick up another lottery pick for next year.
 
This thread is ridiculous. If Givony said this (and I don't think he did) then he isn't familiar with the Jazz. Devon Harris is a proven starting point guard. I can't think of anyone else in the NBA who is more proven and available for the Jazz to get.

Keep in mind, draft night Kevin O'Connor said that he wouldn't mention names before draft night. That hopes to keep it quiet. That's how O'Connor roles, don't Jazz fans realize this yet? Quite being so gulible. Remember the report that said O'Connor was "enamored with Knight" Where did that guy get that from? They are making stuff up! Its Peter Vescey trade rumors all over again. They are not real!
 
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