Jazz Will Beat The Warriors On Wednesday 7 PM MT 03/30/16

[RandyForRubio]

Blaming Quin for FT's is kinda stupid.

 

[Stoked]

Blaming Quin for FT's is kinda stupid.

Who is blaming Snyder? I am blaming the players.

 

[fishonjazz]

I have gotten pretty good about not getting to happy or upset after most wins or losses as I have gotten older.

But last nights loss kicked my ***. I feel like I have a hangover today and I didn't even drink. Had a helluva time getting to sleep last night. Im bummed and feeling like crap today from that loss last night. Sucks.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Yup id feel better with a blow out, not by choking a game we had and should have won. Free throws, turnovers and horrendous playcalls out of the huddle for the last play in regulation.

I feel the opposite. We almost pulled out that win despite so many errors. If we had it would have been pandemonium around here. I'll take the chance at victory over a blowout loss every time, no question.

 

[JimLes]

Blaming Quin for FT's is kinda stupid.

Is it not the job of a coach, among other things, to mentally prepare the players?

 

[fishonjazz]

Is it not the job of a coach, among other things, to mentally prepare the players?

Maybe he did everything he could to mentally prepare them. It's something that can't be quantified. We don't know that if greg popovich was coaching last night that the free throws would have went in.

The players have to make them. They didn't. It was an off night.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Anyways. That's enough Jazzfanz for me. Coach Popp would love a game like this-- showing his team that they can compete with the rest of them, while also pointing out how they can't cut corners on the fundamentals. And really there isn't a better time, and a better way to show this lesson. This is the sort of loss that'll stick with you for the rest of your career-- and that's important for so many of our young guys.

The Jazz have come a hell of a long way. Through extended injuries to Derrick, Rudy, Alec, and Dante-- they're still playoff-seeded, and still winning huge games on the road against playoff teams in the mix with them.

This team is an easy 5th seed with a healthy roster, which few would have predicted. Hell, we can almost get 5th even after all of these ****ing injuries.

Our wings are hitting game-winners, and our PG play is almost approaching mediocrity (saying lots). It took GSW an injured FTs and 16 missed FTs to beat us. I'm fine with that any day of the week.

Great post. At least there are a few sane fans on this board.

 

[LifeOnaPlate]

I have gotten pretty good about not getting to happy or upset after most wins or losses as I have gotten older.

But last nights loss kicked my ***. I feel like I have a hangover today and I didn't even drink. Had a helluva time getting to sleep last night. Im bummed and feeling like crap today from that loss last night. Sucks.

Cheer up, bro! We almost got the champs. Yeah it hurts worse because we beat ourselves. But it bodes well for a playoff win against GSW. Of all the remaining games we didn't expect to win this or the SAS game. Still on track.

 

[zman1527]

Jack Nicklaus once said about a missed putt "I made the putt, it just didn't go in." Likewise, the Jazz beat the Warriors last night, they just did not get the win. Stupid free throws, favors out, and bad reffing. Love how the defense has come around again at the end of the season, gives us a chance.

 

[Stoked]

Cheer up, bro! We almost got the champs. Yeah it hurts worse because we beat ourselves. But it bodes well for a playoff win against GSW. Of all the remaining games we didn't expect to win this or the SAS game. Still on track.

I will be surprised if we get GS tbh. We are more likely to get OKC or SAS.

 

[fishonjazz]

Cheer up, bro! We almost got the champs. Yeah it hurts worse because we beat ourselves. But it bodes well for a playoff win against GSW. Of all the remaining games we didn't expect to win this or the SAS game. Still on track.

You are right. I had us losing to warriors, clippers, and spurs. And winning the rest (minnyX2, dallas, Lakers, denver)

Still

 

[Diamond77]

I think Quin still didn't understand that Hood has to be our go-to guy player down to stretch. They need to move that ball quickly and find open shots down the stretch too.

 

[Deleted member 848]

This. I'm tired of moral victories. We're like 6-0 in those right now, but it counts for **** all in the actual standings, where we are again under .500. This is not a learning experience of any kind, because our team never learns, apparently. If anyone learned anything from games like this, it wouldn't keep happening. Over and over. It makes no difference how close you can get to beating the Warriors if you can't actually beat the Warriors. It make no difference whether we lost by 48 last night or because of an offensive rebound on the last possession.

And speculating about what would have happened if Favors wasn't hurt or Burks played or Burke played is pointless. You cannot change variables and expect nothing else to change. The point is that no matter what happens, no matter how good you are, there will always be close games and you need to find a way to win them. The Warriors are about the break the record for games won in a season, and they have still been involved in 6 overtime games. That's almost 1-in-10. I'm sure you all saw the infographic last night showing how they did in those games.

Just win these damn games. No excuses. Just win them. And if the current coach can't get the players to do it(and he obviously can't and is in over his head Dubya style) then get someone who can. Quickly.

You're expecting the Jazz to "find a way to win games" against the best team since the 96 Bulls, by closing them out with the likes of Trey Lyles and Shelvin Mack.

I think you've made up your mind on Quin (despite rather masterful coaching by him last night-- didn't you see the rotations? Having Hayward switch into Curry on P&Rs by guarding Draymond?) and it's skewing your posts accordingly.

And this narrative of "it keeps happening" flies in the face of close wins ON THE ROAD against Dallas and Houston, wins that ACTUALLY MATTER.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I think Quin still didn't understand that Hood has to be our go-to guy player down to stretch. They need to move that ball quickly and find open shots down the stretch too.

Quin was trying to pull the play he did against Houston, expecting Curry to switch onto Mack (because Steph is the weakest defender on that team-- they ran it against Houston last time because Harden is a way ****tier defender than Bev or Ariza.


Unfortunately, two things happened-- the 1) switch didn't happen; and 2) Hayward assumed the switch was gonna happen, so he wrongfully decided to pass to Mack (who was only to be passed to, if the switch occurred).

Consequently, Draymond made the right read, and a better stop. Hayward shoulda held on, and gone for the iso. But guess what-- players make mistakes. It worked last game, didn't work this time. And while many will pin his loss on Hayward for botching this play, we gotta blame it on FTs at the end of the day. Fortunately, I can't exactly remember too many close losses thanks to FTs, so I'm not concerned.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Is it not the job of a coach, among other things, to mentally prepare the players?

Ummm...we had basically a perfect game plan for the best team in the league, who greatly outmatched us. We actually were great defensively against the best offensive team in quite a while. We shot 40% from the ft line, which is awful. Even shooting 60%, and we win easily. And you want to blame the coach?!

Put some accountability on the players, huh? Snyder got them in the right places, they didn't follow through. I'm not the biggest Snyder fan, and I'm pissed about the players, but it's on them, not Snyder.

You're a teacher, right? Any of your students fail? Get bad grades? Maybe we should fire you too.

 

[zman1527]

Quin was trying to pull the play he did against Houston, expecting Curry to switch onto Mack (because Steph is the weakest defender on that team-- they ran it against Houston last time because Harden is a way ****tier defender than Bev or Ariza.


Unfortunately, two things happened-- the 1) switch didn't happen; and 2) Hayward assumed the switch was gonna happen, so he wrongfully decided to pass to Mack (who was only to be passed to, if the switch occurred).

Consequently, Draymond made the right read, and a better stop. Hayward shoulda held on, and gone for the iso. But guess what-- players make mistakes. It worked last game, didn't work this time. And while many will pin his loss on Hayward for botching this play, we gotta blame it on FTs at the end of the day. Fortunately, I can't exactly remember too many close losses thanks to FTs, so I'm not concerned.

Shouldn't they have run this play with Gordon and Hood, so that whoever got the shot was one we wanted to get the shot?

I think Hayward thought he was going to get double-teamed and that it had already come. He was right to some degree, as Mack was open at first but I think he thought it was too early to shoot. Then Green was able to recover. Gordon at least needed to wait a bit longer and make the double team a little more committed before passing. But like you said players make mistakes. Not gonna shoot him for it.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Quin was trying to pull the play he did against Houston, expecting Curry to switch onto Mack (because Steph is the weakest defender on that team-- they ran it against Houston last time because Harden is a way ****tier defender than Bev or Ariza.


Unfortunately, two things happened-- the 1) switch didn't happen; and 2) Hayward assumed the switch was gonna happen, so he wrongfully decided to pass to Mack (who was only to be passed to, if the switch occurred).

Consequently, Draymond made the right read, and a better stop. Hayward shoulda held on, and gone for the iso. But guess what-- players make mistakes. It worked last game, didn't work this time. And while many will pin his loss on Hayward for botching this play, we gotta blame it on FTs at the end of the day. Fortunately, I can't exactly remember too many close losses thanks to FTs, so I'm not concerned.

That's why Dray is elite.

 

[JimLes]

You're a teacher, right? Any of your students fail? Get bad grades? Maybe we should fire you too.

Funny you'd bring this up. I'm not a teacher anymore. At least for now, until I figure things out. And the biggest reason I couldn't do it anymore is that I felt personally responsible for every single student and it killed me when any of them didn't succeed and I held it against myself. And I had to quit because I could not reconcile the two possible explanations for this. Either I'm not doing everything I could to help them succeed in which case I should not be teaching them, or there is absolutely nothing I can do for some of them and they are going to fail regardless, in which case this is all pointless and soul crushing and there's no reason for me to do it. Either way, it's not the kids. It's me.

 

[Stoked]

Funny you'd bring this up. I'm not a teacher anymore. At least for now, until I figure things out. And the biggest reason I couldn't do it anymore is that I felt personally responsible for every single student and it killed me when any of them didn't succeed and I held it against myself. And I had to quit because I could not reconcile the two possible explanations for this. Either I'm not doing everything I could to help them succeed in which case I should not be teaching them, or there is absolutely nothing I can do for some of them and they are going to fail regardless, in which case this is all pointless and soul crushing and there's no reason for me to do it. Either way, it's not the kids. It's me.

You will not reach and help all kids. You won't, period. No one will.

But you were reaching many and helping many. I'd wager far more than you didn't. Some people don't want to be helped.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Funny you'd bring this up. I'm not a teacher anymore. At least for now, until I figure things out. And the biggest reason I couldn't do it anymore is that I felt personally responsible for every single student and it killed me when any of them didn't succeed and I held it against myself. And I had to quit because I could not reconcile the two possible explanations for this. Either I'm not doing everything I could to help them succeed in which case I should not be teaching them, or there is absolutely nothing I can do for some of them and they are going to fail regardless, in which case this is all pointless and soul crushing and there's no reason for me to do it. Either way, it's not the kids. It's me.

Very commendable, but ultimately dumb. You're entirely eliminating the personal accountability of the students and placing it all on yourself. It's not realistic. You're doing the same thing to Snyder that you are to yourself. Go back to teaching, you're making a difference there, I promise you that.