I was thinking of taking him earlier, but figured he would still be around. Luckily for me he was.
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I was thinking of taking him earlier, but figured he would still be around. Luckily for me he was.
orangello
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I meant to say that I hope it is not something serious.
Don't worry guys. PKM is just at the psychiatrist trying to explain his and Dalamon's relationship to his kid who walked in on them last night.
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I laughed. I shouldn't have.
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What is wrong with playing taller players if you've got em, and forcing other teams to match up to you?
Penny at PG and Garnett at SF are going to be tough matchups for any opponents.
I've seen Garnett shut down point guards at the 3 point line, so he damn well can play SF, and he'll always have 2 more shot blockers behind him.
I think Hack has the best team.
Shaq, Durant, Wade are all incredible talents.
Hell, I'd consider starting Durant at SG if he didn't have Wade.
There is no maximum height requirement for positions last time I looked.
but let's all just do whatever Wes says, whatever.
Penny at PG and Garnett at SF are going to be tough matchups for any opponents.
I've seen Garnett shut down point guards at the 3 point line, so he damn well can play SF, and he'll always have 2 more shot blockers behind him.
I think Hack has the best team.
Shaq, Durant, Wade are all incredible talents.
Hell, I'd consider starting Durant at SG if he didn't have Wade.
There is no maximum height requirement for positions last time I looked.
but let's all just do whatever Wes says, whatever.
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I think there are 12 incredibly talented teams on the board. Who is better or who is worse is only speculation anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if I'm voted out...
So, are we voting out 4 guys before the playoffs? Is this going to go down survivor style where we all meet around some cheap torches and bash on one or four guys? I'm not in love with that idea, but I guess it would serve it's purpose.
I would rather we just do two brackets of 6 teams (NFL Playoff format formula) Four teams with byes... Byes can be chose randomly. I mean... If you're going to win, you're going to have to win all the match ups in front of you regardless. I'd be cool with that.
So, are we voting out 4 guys before the playoffs? Is this going to go down survivor style where we all meet around some cheap torches and bash on one or four guys? I'm not in love with that idea, but I guess it would serve it's purpose.
I would rather we just do two brackets of 6 teams (NFL Playoff format formula) Four teams with byes... Byes can be chose randomly. I mean... If you're going to win, you're going to have to win all the match ups in front of you regardless. I'd be cool with that.
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Shaq is a beast. A BEAST! However, Parish, Nance, and Worthy will employ the Hack-a-Shaq strategy on the big fella. Heck, I might even send Kevin Johnson down there to trip him up, literally.
Laimbeer will have a field day drawing offensive fouls on Shaq.
I think that sounds like a great time.
Gyp Rosetti
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I'd be curious how the teams stack up against one another as far as rings are concerned. Let's take this Wilt team for example. Wilt has what, two rings? Stoudemire none. Garnett one. Penny and 'Nique none. So, uh, yeah, as far as winners go, that team sucks. Just sayin'. I mean, three combined rings from the starters. That's pitiful.
There are so many ways to compare the teams. That's what makes this fun.
Gyp Rosetti
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Is the draft over? Can I finally draft?
Not yet. Patience.
Wes is trolling....
Throughout the process, the toughest teams to draft against were Spycam's and Hack's, followed by Whiskey a bit behind, and I had a strategy for matching up with them. Numberica was doing a great job counterpunching given his late draft position, but he lost me when he took Mutombo, Marion and Sloan. Franklin also did very well from a late-pick position, but lost me at Ron Artest, since I don't think Artest can stop players at this level. That said, if you buy in on Havlicek and Thurmond, he has one of the top teams, given his first 2 picks. I'm not a big Carmello fan, since I haven't seen him really win much. There are a number of players who are good at many things, but not great at any one thing.
This is just my perspective based on how I envisioned these teams actually playing against one another. If I had to play the same cards again, I would probably make the exact same picks. That's just how I see these players and how I would build a team in the Team USA strategy.
I was intrigued with Wilt, but probably would have taken Hakeem over him, simply because he's a more modern player and used to the modern game. But Hakeem was gone in the first round. I want a big who can run the floor and compete all game without getting tired, so, practically speaking, I needed Hakeem, Wilt or Duncan. That said, I would probably still have taken Shaq if he were on the board. He's just a dominant player.
I might have taken Karl Malone over Garnett, especially on this board, but that was really close for me, and I actually like KG's versatility. I was so impressed by what I saw from KG in 2004, that I think KG was better than Malone at his peak, even though Malone had a legendary career.
I would have taken Pippen and Durant in that order ahead of Dominique Wilkins, because I wanted an explosive scorer in the backcourt with size. I would have slotted both at SG. I didn't think of Drexler or Pippen as go-to shooters when the chips are down, but Pippen is such a versatile player and defender with all the intangibles, that you have to take him if he's there.
I was looking for Penny/Nique in the 3rd and 4th rounds and debated which to take first. I guessed that Penny was more under the radar, and it seems that played out. Penny was my choice after Magic, and once Robertson was off the board, I didn't think there was anyone else to really consider for what I wanted to do. I had seen Penny destroy opposing SGs and SFs, and I'd seen what Penny had done to Stockton and Payton. The only PGs who can guard him in a meaningful way are Lebron and probably Robertson, although Payton and Magic (to a lesser extent) can probably slow him down in the half court. Meanwhile, Penny can defend opposing 2-guards out on the wing, letting Nique use his size against traditional PGs.
When I picked Amare, I was also looking at Kemp and to a lesser extent Rasheed. I needed a big who could compete with David Robinson, take him outside and use his speed. Sheed and Kemp both play more defense, but Sheed's shooting percentages weren't great, and Kemp never became as polished as Amar'e. Amar'e won me over with his steady jumper as well as explosion at the rim.
I didn't think much about Yao Ming. He was the best center on the board, and Northeast and I just took him. He might not play much, but still, he draws a double team since he can just turn and shoot over other players.
I would have taken Rondo at back-up PG, but when he was taken, I was happy to find that I had overlooked Tim Hardaway. I like Tony Parker as a player, but I think he calls his own number too much, and isn't the versatile passer needed to blend these talented players. I actually took a serious look at Ricky Rubio, but didn't think he was ready. I didn't go for Billups because his game is predicated on being stronger than opposing players, and that's not going to be the case here.
I wanted a stretch shooter to play off of Wilt and KG in the post. Kukoc fit that bill. Again, I looked at Sheed, but wanted a more sure stroke and higher shooting percentages.
I regretted the Kukoc pick a bit when I remembered about Latrell Sprewell, but Latrell stayed on the board through the next 16 picks....
That's basically it. The final pick was to add an athletic shot blocker and ultimately it came down to Davis and one other guy. I took Davis because he's faster and can play out on the floor as well as run out. I think Bosh is a good face-up PF who can stretch the floor, but I didn't really need that, since I had those roles covered with Amare and Kukoc.
You don't have to like it, but that's a competitive team that can match up with anyone here.
Throughout the process, the toughest teams to draft against were Spycam's and Hack's, followed by Whiskey a bit behind, and I had a strategy for matching up with them. Numberica was doing a great job counterpunching given his late draft position, but he lost me when he took Mutombo, Marion and Sloan. Franklin also did very well from a late-pick position, but lost me at Ron Artest, since I don't think Artest can stop players at this level. That said, if you buy in on Havlicek and Thurmond, he has one of the top teams, given his first 2 picks. I'm not a big Carmello fan, since I haven't seen him really win much. There are a number of players who are good at many things, but not great at any one thing.
This is just my perspective based on how I envisioned these teams actually playing against one another. If I had to play the same cards again, I would probably make the exact same picks. That's just how I see these players and how I would build a team in the Team USA strategy.
I was intrigued with Wilt, but probably would have taken Hakeem over him, simply because he's a more modern player and used to the modern game. But Hakeem was gone in the first round. I want a big who can run the floor and compete all game without getting tired, so, practically speaking, I needed Hakeem, Wilt or Duncan. That said, I would probably still have taken Shaq if he were on the board. He's just a dominant player.
I might have taken Karl Malone over Garnett, especially on this board, but that was really close for me, and I actually like KG's versatility. I was so impressed by what I saw from KG in 2004, that I think KG was better than Malone at his peak, even though Malone had a legendary career.
I would have taken Pippen and Durant in that order ahead of Dominique Wilkins, because I wanted an explosive scorer in the backcourt with size. I would have slotted both at SG. I didn't think of Drexler or Pippen as go-to shooters when the chips are down, but Pippen is such a versatile player and defender with all the intangibles, that you have to take him if he's there.
I was looking for Penny/Nique in the 3rd and 4th rounds and debated which to take first. I guessed that Penny was more under the radar, and it seems that played out. Penny was my choice after Magic, and once Robertson was off the board, I didn't think there was anyone else to really consider for what I wanted to do. I had seen Penny destroy opposing SGs and SFs, and I'd seen what Penny had done to Stockton and Payton. The only PGs who can guard him in a meaningful way are Lebron and probably Robertson, although Payton and Magic (to a lesser extent) can probably slow him down in the half court. Meanwhile, Penny can defend opposing 2-guards out on the wing, letting Nique use his size against traditional PGs.
When I picked Amare, I was also looking at Kemp and to a lesser extent Rasheed. I needed a big who could compete with David Robinson, take him outside and use his speed. Sheed and Kemp both play more defense, but Sheed's shooting percentages weren't great, and Kemp never became as polished as Amar'e. Amar'e won me over with his steady jumper as well as explosion at the rim.
I didn't think much about Yao Ming. He was the best center on the board, and Northeast and I just took him. He might not play much, but still, he draws a double team since he can just turn and shoot over other players.
I would have taken Rondo at back-up PG, but when he was taken, I was happy to find that I had overlooked Tim Hardaway. I like Tony Parker as a player, but I think he calls his own number too much, and isn't the versatile passer needed to blend these talented players. I actually took a serious look at Ricky Rubio, but didn't think he was ready. I didn't go for Billups because his game is predicated on being stronger than opposing players, and that's not going to be the case here.
I wanted a stretch shooter to play off of Wilt and KG in the post. Kukoc fit that bill. Again, I looked at Sheed, but wanted a more sure stroke and higher shooting percentages.
I regretted the Kukoc pick a bit when I remembered about Latrell Sprewell, but Latrell stayed on the board through the next 16 picks....
That's basically it. The final pick was to add an athletic shot blocker and ultimately it came down to Davis and one other guy. I took Davis because he's faster and can play out on the floor as well as run out. I think Bosh is a good face-up PF who can stretch the floor, but I didn't really need that, since I had those roles covered with Amare and Kukoc.
You don't have to like it, but that's a competitive team that can match up with anyone here.
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Hotdog
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Who says Shaq doesn't pass it out for three to Durant when you send all the guys at him. You can't block Durant's shot with someone on him, how you going to do it when he is wide open.
Or maybe Shaq starts backing you down and then you double with your power forward and Shaq just lobs it up to Griffin. You know you aren't stopping that.
Or wade just drives to the hoop and has his choice to dunk it on you, or lob it up to either Shaq or Griffin if you double. You can't guard Wade straight up, so what are you going to do.
My offense is unstoppable. My team would wax any team here.
Gyp Rosetti
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Father, thank you. I am very anxious. And obviously I can't expect my team to be able to beat these other teams given that 120 of the best players will have been drafted. I just want to put together a killer team as best I can.