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***jazzfanz official us mass shootings thread***

One Brow said:
It's a shame no one had a can of mace handy.

https://www.cnn.com/2014/06/06/us/seattle-shooting-hero/index.html
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Not sure that would have worked here. The three victims were two police officers and an armed CC carrier who tried to stop them in Walmart.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/09/las-vegas-police-shot/10223527/

Ona side note the article says that they were at the Bundy Ranch and that the Bundy family asked them to leave as they were to radical and they did not align with the protests main issues.

What I do not understand is this...they were handing out white hate propoganda at some apts and talking about comminting the "next columbine" and bragged about plans for a mass shooting. Why didn't anyone call the police on them?
 
Stoked said:
Not sure that would have worked here. The three victims were two police officers and an armed CC carrier who tried to stop them in Walmart.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/09/las-vegas-police-shot/10223527/

Ona side note the article says that they were at the Bundy Ranch and that the Bundy family asked them to leave as they were to radical and they did not align with the protests main issues.

What I do not understand is this...they were handing out white hate propoganda at some apts and talking about comminting the "next columbine" and bragged about plans for a mass shooting. Why didn't anyone call the police on them?
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Can the police arrest people for talking about stuff?
 
fishonjazz said:
Can the police arrest people for talking about stuff?
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For just talking no. But the cops would have been looking into them and who knows what they would have found.

What would you do if you heard people talking about doing that? Especially now a days. I'd call the local police phone number and file a report.
 
Stoked said:
For just talking no. But the cops would have been looking into them and who knows what they would have found.

What would you do if you heard people talking about doing that? Especially now a days. I'd call the local police phone number and file a report.
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You would report it..... cops would look into it but ultimately do nothing.

Incident still happens. Maybe the incident would have been even worse cause they get even more mad since someone ratted on them and the cops messed with them some more.


Ya you should probably report it......but i doubt that reporting it prevents the shooting from happening
 
fishonjazz said:
You would report it..... cops would look into it but ultimately do nothing.

Incident still happens. Maybe the incident would have been even worse cause they get even more mad since someone ratted on them and the cops messed with them some more.


Ya you should probably report it......but i doubt that reporting it prevents the shooting from happening
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You might be right but who really knows? For all we know the police could have found detailed plans to commit such a crime and had them commited.

Still amazed no one reported it.
 
Stoked said:
You might be right but who really knows? For all we know the police could have found detailed plans to commit such a crime and had them commited.

Still amazed no one reported it.
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True.
 
--Bundy Ranch? Check
--Revolution? Check
--Don't Tread on me? Check
--White Power? Check
--Mass amounts of Stoked? Check
 
Stoked said:
Serious question Baby.

At this point in time, with the accesability and # of guns (legal and illegal) as it is, what would you do to stop or even slow this down?
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Have everyone who is a part of the tea party, or supports the tea party, shipped to a distant, underpopulated country.

We just have to give them a ton of guns and some American flag suit pins and they should be happy.
 
Stoked said:
Serious question Baby.

At this point in time, with the accesability and # of guns (legal and illegal) as it is, what would you do to stop or even slow this down?
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I have no clue. What I do know is this is a problem with no short term solution. It may even take a generation to fix at this point. I suggest the US takes an approach it has yet to try long term. Reducing the access to guns, in a serious and calculated way.

I would use the data in front of us to make an informed decision and trust federal, state, and local governments to enact new laws based off this data. You can keep punching yourself in the dick over and over and expect different results, but all your going to get is a wailed on dick. In my opinion, gun nuts have had their way for long enough. It's time for responsible gun advocates, that support stricter access to guns, to get their fair shake. I'm not suggesting we make guns illegal, but lets make it hard as **** to get one.

For example, the Assault Weapons Ban was instituted for 10 years and quickly repealed. In those ten years gun violence involving assault weapons was reduced. But the sample size was so small due to the short window that the data isn't really conclusive. Stuff like this is worth a try, IMO. But it requires a long term commitment and buy in every level.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
I have no clue. What I do know is this is a problem with no short term solution. It may even take a generation to fix at this point. I suggest the US takes an approach it has yet to try long term. Reducing the access to guns, in a serious and calculated way.

I would use the data in front of us to make an informed decision and trust federal, state, and local governments to enact new laws based off this data. You can keep punching yourself in the dick over and over and expect different results, but all your going to get is a wailed on dick. In my opinion, gun nuts have had their way for long enough. It's time for responsible gun advocates, that support stricter access to guns, to get their fair shake. I'm not suggesting we make guns illegal, but lets make it hard as **** to get one.

For example, the Assault Weapons Ban was instituted for 10 years and quickly repealed. In those two years gun violence involving assault weapons was reduced. But the sample size was so small due to the short window that the data isn't really conclusive. Stuff like this is worth a try, IMO. But it requires a long term commitment and buy in every level.
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Ban guns, subsidize karate lessons.

Worst case scenario is mass Bruce Lee style beatdowns replace mass shootings.
 
Some things we can try/consider, in my opinion:

Tie mental health records to background checks
Stop sending guns over the border in to less then responsible hands
Secure the border (north south gun flow - illegal gun trade)
Create a national level of requirement for a CC that includes shooting the weapon you are being licensed for
Confiscate and destroy any weapons owned by a person who is convicted of a crime
Harsher penalties and increased enforcement of black market weapons and destruction of captured weapons
Harsher penalties for those that carelessly guard their weapons that get used in a crime

Also not sure how to address it but it seems that certain groups tend to lead to more violence. Such as certain white hate groups. Perhaps increased monitoring of them? ban them (would only push them further under ground imo)?

I am pro gun but there is clearly a problem here and there has to be things we can do to decrease the black market trade, restrict access to those that should not have the weapons in the first place and increase the responsibility of those that do have access to such weapons.
 
Stoked said:
Some things we can try/consider, in my opinion:

Tie mental health records to background checks
Stop sending guns over the border in to less then responsible hands
Secure the border (north south gun flow - illegal gun trade)
Create a national level of requirement for a CC that includes shooting the weapon you are being licensed for
Confiscate and destroy any weapons owned by a person who is convicted of a crime
Harsher penalties and increased enforcement of black market weapons and destruction of captured weapons
Harsher penalties for those that carelessly guard their weapons that get used in a crime

Also not sure how to address it but it seems that certain groups tend to lead to more violence. Such as certain white hate groups. Perhaps increased monitoring of them? ban them (would only push them further under ground imo)?

I am pro gun but there is clearly a problem here and there has to be things we can do to decrease the black market trade, restrict access to those that should not have the weapons in the first place and increase the responsibility of those that do have access to such weapons.
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I don't own a gun, so I'm not well informed enough on the specifics. But these all sound great to me. In fact, that sounds like common ****ing sense to me.

I'm going to buy a gun one of these days, they're fun to shoot! But I hope it's a pain in the *** to get one, or at least have to put up with a waiting period of some sort. I would not mind in the slightest.
 
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