Jeopardy Question

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Let's use tonight as an example.
Burks took 7 shots and made three. Burks scored 14 points on those 7 shots. On one of his misses rudy got an easy put back dunk (2 points). On another miss favors got the rebound and scored and got fouled (3 points). Both of the buckets were caused by Burks attacking the rim.

So on 7 shots there were 19 points created.

Let's say he takes 3 three point shots tonight and makes one. And take away three of his drives (there are only a certain amount of shots/possesions to go around after all)

Does that help the team win? Maybe. Do the opponents fear his three point shot if he takes more of them? I'm not sure anyone is afraid of Burks if he takes more threes..... Not sure it would even help spacing anyway. Burks is no bradley beal, klay, rodney or even Gordon.
Teams might still clog the paint against the jazz if Burks shoots more threes except now we would also be letting them off the hook from having to defend what he is truly good at.

Some real deep statistical analysis right there.

Why does anyone shoot 3 pointers? Why? Really we should only allow Hood and Hayward to shoot 3's. That way none of our not great shooters will waste shots on a shot they might miss. I mean who cares about stretching defense and keeping them honest to your perimeter players. I mean, big men don't need space on the interior to receive passes and dive to the rim, just let Burks man just dig in to the paint, no big deal.

 

[My2Cents]

Then explain to me why he refuses to take his open 3's so far while his coach urges him to take more?

No idea. You'd have to ask Burks. I'd guess though that he's working his way back from the injury and he's more comfortable at this stage going to the rim. He hasn't played in a while. The outside shooting will come. I'm not really worried about it.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Link to coach urging him.

Burks has always seemed very coachable to me. Maybe quin has been happy with Burks play so far this year

The Jazz also want Burks looking for his jump shot, too, and at one point in the game Snyder made his way down to the end of the bench to tell his shooting guard he needed to take a three-pointer.

Burks shot 42.9 percent on catch-and-shoot three-pointers last year, and Snyder wants to see the guard, a natural slasher, be on that end of drive-and-kicks a little more often this year.

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[Saint Cy of JFC]

So out of the 4 3point shots Burks has taken this pre-season, Quin had to literally yell at Burks for one of them. I think one of the other ones was at a half-time buzzer.

 

[fishonjazz]

Some real deep statistical analysis right there.

Why does anyone shoot 3 pointers? Why? Really we should only allow Hood and Hayward to shoot 3's. That way none of our not great shooters will waste shots on a shot they might miss. I mean who cares about stretching defense and keeping them honest to your perimeter players. I mean, big men don't need space on the interior to receive passes and dive to the rim, just let Burks man just dig in to the paint, no big deal.

Yup probably should have gobert shoot a couple threes per game.

Really though. Burks is best attacking the rim. I don't want to let defenses off the hook by not needing to stop what he is best at.

Maybe start rodney, alec, and hayward.
Rodney and hayward can space the floor and you might be over reacting to how many threes he is taking per game so far this pre season. Kind of a small sample size don't ya think.

Last year Burks averaged 2.5 threes per game. Maybe just chill and realize it's not time to panic just yet

 

[fishonjazz]

So out of the 4 3point shots Burks has taken this pre-season, Quin had to literally yell at Burks for one of them. I think one of the other ones was at a half-time buzzer.

Last year Burks averaged 2.5 attempts per game. Maybe this pre season is a small sample size and Burks will do exactly what you want. Of course we all know you would still bitch even if he were taking 4 per game anyway.

Try having a little patience

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Last year Burks averaged 2.5 attempts per game. Maybe this pre season is a small sample size and Burks will do exactly what you want. Of course we all know you would still bitch even if he were taking 4 per game anyway.

Try having a little patience

If he took 4 and maintained even a 35% mark I would be the happiest camper alive.

 

[MDAV28]

Burks scored .81 points per 2-point FGA last season and 1.14 points per 3-point attempt last season.
Career: .91 per 2-point FGA, 1.07 per 3-point FGA

 

[fishonjazz]

Burks scored .81 points per 2-point FGA last season and 1.14 points per 3-point attempt last season.
Career: .91 per 2-point FGA, 1.07 per 3-point FGA

Good find. Does that account for free throws as well?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yup probably should have gobert shoot a couple threes per game.

Really though. Burks is best attacking the rim. I don't want to let defenses off the hook by not needing to stop what he is best at.

Maybe start rodney, alec, and hayward.
Rodney and hayward can space the floor and you might be over reacting to how many threes he is taking per game so far this pre season. Kind of a small sample size don't ya think.

Last year Burks averaged 2.5 threes per game. Maybe just chill and realize it's not time to panic just yet

No, I don't think it's a small sample size since it's a problem Burks has faced his entire NBA career. Not only does he face the problem of not shooting enough of his open 3's, he has also had run-ins with being overly predictable in the past with going to what is naturally comfortable. The biggest example of this outside of his reluctance to drop the long ball was his over-reliance on rejecting the pick in his 3rd year.

The thing is, passing up the 3 will work from time to time and he will make spectacular plays going to the rim. Over time though teams will realize Burks doesn't want to take that 3 and will end up sagging off him with soft close-outs. This is what I mean about it being a bad long-term decision and that he has to start taking some just to make the defense honest. He should be able to hit enough to do so if he just plays to his career averages from outside, but he has to increase the rate in which he takes them.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Burks scored .81 points per 2-point FGA last season and 1.14 points per 3-point attempt last season.
Career: .91 per 2-point FGA, 1.07 per 3-point FGA

Please dont try to argue with Fish. Alec Burks is God and doesn't need to shoot 3's even though it's been basically a proven fact you have to be a good 3pt shooting team to win.

 

[fishonjazz]

No, I don't think it's a small sample size since it's a problem Burks has faced his entire NBA career. Not only does he face the problem of not shooting enough of his open 3's, he has also had run-ins with being overly predictable in the past with going to what is naturally comfortable. The biggest example of this outside of his reluctance to drop the long ball was his over-reliance on rejecting the pick in his 3rd year.

The thing is, passing up the 3 will work from time to time and he will make spectacular plays going to the rim. Over time though teams will realize Burks doesn't want to take that 3 and will end up sagging off him with soft close-outs. This is what I mean about it being a bad long-term decision and that he has to start taking some just to make the defense honest. He should be able to hit enough to do so if he just plays to his career averages from outside, but he has to increase the rate in which he takes them.

So would your plan to be to have Burks camp out on the three point line (where he is easy to guard) and wait for who exactly to drive and callapse the defense and kick out to him?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

A huge example of this today problem to day was a play late in the game where Novak was guarding Burks. Novak was giving Burks at least 10 feet of space to take a 3 pointer and Burks just wildly drove into the paint and forced up a terrible attempt that wasn't even close. He has to take that 3 and make it at a respectable rate so teams know they can't just switch off Burks with a big man and have him drop way back and pack the paint.

The exact same starting scenario happened in Portland where Leonard was guarding him the same way and Burks took 1 dribble into a 23 foot long 2 point shot. Just take the 3

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

So would your plan to be to have Burks camp out on the three point line (where he is easy to guard) and wait for who exactly to drive and callapse the defense and kick out to him?

Yeah, because I clearly said that.

 

[fishonjazz]

Please dont try to argue with Fish. Alec Burks is God and doesn't need to shoot 3's even though it's been basically a proven fact you have to be a good 3pt shooting team to win.

I actually told him good find. That was good info. I don't know if accounts for free throws as well though. Also, I have been watching specifically this season on Burks misses how many result in offensive rebounds resulting from the defense collapsing on his drives. I don't think those second chance points would be included in the stat be provided.

It is still good info though

Burks scored .81 points per 2-point FGA last season and 1.14 points per 3-point attempt last season.
Career: .91 per 2-point FGA, 1.07 per 3-point FGA

Good find. Does that account for free throws as well?

 

[fishonjazz]

A huge example of this today problem to day was a play late in the game where Novak was guarding Burks. Novak was giving Burks at least 10 feet of space to take a 3 pointer and Burks just wildly drove into the paint and forced up a terrible attempt that wasn't even close. He has to take that 3 and make it at a respectable rate so teams know they can't just switch off Burks with a big man and have him drop way back and pack the paint.

The exact same starting scenario happened in Portland where Leonard was guarding him the same way and Burks took 1 dribble into a 23 foot long 2 point shot. Just take the 3

Do you think the jazz win tonight if Burks takes 3 three pointers?

 

[fishonjazz]

Yeah, because I clearly said that.

I didn't say you said anything. I asked you what your plan would be.

How would you use Burks? How is he getting these three point attempts you want for him? Is he playing like klay does? Beal?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Do you think the jazz win tonight of Burks takes 3 three pointers?

Dude, holy ****. It's not a 1 game problem. Have you not been reading?

It's a compound thing. Every game Burks continues to show his reluctance to take a 3 point shot, the more the scouting reports allows for teams to hurt our spacing. This is a long-term issue.

And as far as do we win if he takes 3 of them. Maybe? Who knows. Maybe he makes 3 in a row and gives us a complete energy shift. Maybe those 3 he makes changes OKC's defensive game plan and it results in some easy dunks for cutters. It really is a terrible question that is pointless to ask.

 

[fishonjazz]

This will definitely be something to keep an eye on going forward.
Good thread cy

 

[fishonjazz]

Dude, holy ****. It's not a 1 game problem. Have you not been reading?

It's a compound thing. Every game Burks continues to show his reluctance to take a 3 point shot, the more the scouting reports allows for teams to hurt our spacing. This is a long-term issue.

And as far as do we win if he takes 3 of them. Maybe? Who knows. Maybe he makes 3 in a row and gives us a complete energy shift. Maybe those 3 he makes changes OKC's defensive game plan and it results in some easy dunks for cutters. It really is a terrible question that is pointless to ask.

Ya. I will stop discussing things with ya. Sorry for the dumb questions