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Jimmer Belongs with the Jazz

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I want to make an argument that i feel is rather solid. I know there are a lot of Jimmer Haters out there, or even just basketball guru's possessing no personal bias, yet nonetheless affirm his potential and upside inadaquate and inherently not enough to make him a worthy lottery pick in this up coming draft (though considering the weakness of this years draft, Jimmer has probably moved close to the lottery on your mock boards, if not all the way into it). I understand that, as a rookie, Jimmer stands a good chance of getting eaton alive by guys like John Wall, Derrick Rose, and Russell Westbrook (which may not be to significant-- most point guards are already getting utterly dominated by these guys). That being said i want to propose just a couple thoughts: 1-Check out the knocks on Steve Nash's game coming out of Santa Clara--they are very similar to the things said about Jimmer. Also check out Nash's stats during his first 4 years in the league. 2- Jimmer would do a lot to help resurrect the Utah Jazz Fanbase that faded with the departure of Stockton and Malone. You remember it! Everyone in Utah was a fan of the Jazz during the Glory Days. I live in St George, and i remember driving down the STG BLVD seeing marquees saying something to the effect of "Go Jazz" or "Jazz Basketball:Thanks for a great season" What i am trying to say is that Jimmer has appeal, especially in Utah. How many BYU fans don't really care too much for the Jazz? If Jimmer is, at the very least, a respectable basketball player in the pros, he'll do a lot for Jazz Basketball. Home Hero (Sort of), Soild Dude off the court, humble athlete... i like our chances if we draft him.
3- We need a shooter and Jimmer can Shoot the Basketball! I really don't have to argue that. If Jimmer can Score 40Plus points in a game where Kawhi Leonard is matched up with him, then i think he can score, or atleast shoot, on guys at the next level. 4-Give Jimmer 4 years. I think he'll be a solid point guard. He showed at BYU that he has pretty good court vision. He really seemed to know where guys were on the floor when he drove to the basket.

According to ESPN (I think it was Chad Ford writing the article), Jazz Brass are pretty high Jimmer. I think he'd be a great pick! I'm interested to hear your thoughts!
 
I guess he could become the next Korver (only shorter and no defense). I wouldn't take him at 6 or 12 though.
 
twentytwo said:
I guess he could become the next Korver (only shorter and no defense). I wouldn't take him at 6 or 12 though.
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Korver isnt a good comparison. Jimmer has good handles. If he was a craftier finisher around the rim I could justify #12, but his finishing is terrible.
 
Pretty sure (I hope) we don't take him with our first pick. And I think there is a very good chance he is off the board by the time our second pick comes around. So i don't think it will even be an option.
 
How do you put what the other person said in a box?

The Jazz need players who can shoot. Jimmer can shoot. Can you not see that? He is the best fit for the Jazz because no one else can shoot like him and the Jazz need people who can shoot. That's why I would take him #1.
 
Jimmer_Fan said:
How do you put what the other person said in a box?

The Jazz need players who can shoot. Jimmer can shoot. Can you not see that? He is the best fit for the Jazz because no one else can shoot like him and the Jazz need people who can shoot. That's why I would take him #1.
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You quote them. You can either "reply with quote", or copy what they typed, and paste it into a quote box in the advanced functions.
You should take a little time to mess around with the functions available in the "Go Advanced" area of a post.
 
I would take Jimmer if he falls to #30 in the second round and I can trade down to get him. Oh yeah I would be all over that!
 
Jimmer_Fan said:
How do you put what the other person said in a box?

The Jazz need players who can shoot. Jimmer can shoot. Can you not see that? He is the best fit for the Jazz because no one else can shoot like him and the Jazz need people who can shoot. That's why I would take him #1.
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JazzSpazz said:
I have no idea what I'm talking about and would prefer to overthrow the government. WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE!
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Don't listen to that mumbo jumbo Spazz is spouting. It's not nearly so technical. You put what the other person said in a box by purposely misinterpreting them. It's also effective to make fun of their opinion by picking an irrelevant mistake they made and emphasizing it until fellow forum members are convinced they were actually trying to overthrow the government or something equally nefarious. Feel free to simply edit their quote to your purposes if necessary.

As for drafting Jimmer, the dude can act! I'm a big fan of his Disney movies, though I don't understand why he allowed them to turn Pinocchio back into a wooden boy. In fact, I'm pretty pissed about that part. On the basketball side, I'm resigned to the fact that the Jazz are going to darft him for the marketing reasons you state above and I'll forgive them as long as they take Bismak with their first pick. As a matter of fact, I think I'm going to enjoy watching guys drive past Jimminy only to get flattened by Swat.
 
I think Jimmer will be a useful player. He can move the ball, pass it and shoot it from the wing. He can be a good facilitator and kick-out guy. You'd be surprised how few players can actually do that consistently.

He'll give up some points though.
 
N.B.A. Scouting Report on Fredette: Good but Not Great
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Jimmer Fredette, the nation's leading scorer at 28.8 points a game, led B.Y.U. into the Round of 16 after forgoing last year's N.B.A. draft.

By PETE THAMEL

Published: March 23, 2011





NEW ORLEANS — From conjuring up memories of Pete Maravich with his scoring binges to carrying Brigham Young to its first N.C.A.A. tournament Round of 16 since 1981, Jimmer Fredette has put together one of the most remarkable college basketball seasons of this generation.

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Fredette, a 6-foot-2 shooting guard, has secured his legacy at Brigham Young, but questions remain on how his game will translate in the N.B.A.



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Fredette has improved his stock enough this season to be considered a mid-first round N.B.A. draft choice.

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Bulls guard Steve Kerr, a player whom Brigham Young's Jimmer Fredette has been compared with, pulling up for a jump shot in 1996.


Fredette, a 6-foot-2 shooting guard, has a chance to lead the Cougars even deeper into the tournament on Thursday night when third-seeded B.Y.U. faces No. 2 Florida in a Southeast Region semifinal. And while Fredette’s legacy at B.Y.U. is secure, one of the biggest questions hovering over him is how his game will translate to the N.B.A.
Interviews with a half-dozen N.B.A. scouts and front-office personnel provide a portrait of Fredette as a professional prospect. He is generally considered offensively gifted, defensively challenged and destined to be a solid rotation player in the N.B.A.
Stardom, however, is unlikely, the scouts and front-office personnel said. Comparative players that came up were Jeff Hornacek, Steve Kerr, Kyle Korver and Jason Kapono.
“I think he’ll be a really good pro, but not great,” said a Western Conference executive, who would not be named because he is not permitted to talk about prospects. “He’ll be a guy who is a better Steve Kerr, a better Kyle Korver. A better Kapono. Both those guys can’t put the ball on the floor.”
Fredette leads the nation in scoring this season at 28.8 points a game. He averaged more than 4 points a game more than the No. 2 scorer, Marshon Brooks of Providence.
But Fredette’s approach to defense is a cause for concern, N.B.A. personnel said, because he appears to put in little effort so he can stay out of foul trouble and conserve energy for offense.
Dave Rice, a B.Y.U. assistant, said some of Fredette’s defensive deficiencies were by design.
“A lot of that is really on us,” Rice said. “We expect so much of him on the offensive end. We can’t afford to have him in foul trouble. He’s a much, much better defensive player than he’s given credit for. A lot of that is part of our game plan.”
An Eastern Conference personnel director said that much of Fredette’s success in the N.B.A. could be predicated by what team he ends up on. He might flourish in a system like those of the Knicks, the Phoenix Suns or the Golden State Warriors, where the emphasis is on offense and scoring. A team like the San Antonio Spurs would likely not be as good a fit.
“I think he will translate fine as a pure shooter,” the personnel director said. He added: “He will need to go to a team that is either stacked with good defenders or a team that doesn’t emphasize defense. For as sharp a shooter as he is, he’s just as bad of a defender.”
Fredette declared for the N.B.A. draft last year and worked out for four teams before deciding to return for his senior year. He was projected as a fringe first-round pick and may have improved his stock to where he will likely be selected in the middle of the first round.
The N.B.A. personnel said they expected the Utah Jazz, which should pick around No. 12, to feel pressure to draft Fredette. If it does not, few expect him to slip lower than No. 20.
The B.Y.U. strength coach, Justin McClure, said he expected Fredette to test well in the physical drills. He said Fredette has a vertical jump of 36 inches, can bench-press 265 pounds and should be able to lift 185 pounds 9 or 10 times.
“I think he surprised people with that,” McClure said. “He’s a lot quicker and more agile than people give him credit for.”
Fredette said he was pleased with his decision to return to B.Y.U., which has likely made him millions of dollars because of his improved draft status. He has stressed all season that B.Y.U.’s success has been his main focus.
“It was definitely a tough decision, but it’s what I expected and what I wanted to do and what I needed to do to get this type of hype leading into this tournament and later on in my career for the draft,” Fredette said.
Fredette cringed a bit at a comparison to the former Gonzaga forward Adam Morrison, who was perhaps the last scorer this dominant in college basketball. Morrison was the third overall pick in the 2006 draft, by the Charlotte Bobcats, but has been with three teams and was waived by the Washington Wizards last October.
Fredette also said he thought he was “a pretty good defender.”
“I don’t think people give me as much credit as maybe I deserve on the defensive end because I do play well on the offensive end,” he said.
Florida’s coaches need no reminder of that. Fredette scored 37 points against the Gators last year in B.Y.U.’s double-overtime N.C.A.A. tournament victory. The Florida assistant Larry Shyatt said that when watching film of Fredette score 52 points against New Mexico this month, Maravich’s name came up.
Shyatt said there was no blueprint for guarding Fredette. “They could sell it at Walgreens, I’m not buying it,” he said.
Florida Coach Billy Donovan said Fredette’s biggest questions in the N.B.A. would come in the nuances of defense, as he said there was no question his shooting would translate.
“Can he play in pick-and-roll defensively?” Donovan said. “Can he get over screens and keep people in front? I think he’s got good enough size and good enough speed. I think that’s going to be the biggest question mark.”

Jonathan Abrams contributed reporting from New York.
 
But Fredette’s approach to defense is a cause for concern, N.B.A. personnel said, because he appears to put in little effort so he can stay out of foul trouble and conserve energy for offense.
Dave Rice, a B.Y.U. assistant, said some of Fredette’s defensive deficiencies were by design.
“A lot of that is really on us,” Rice said. “We expect so much of him on the offensive end. We can’t afford to have him in foul trouble. He’s a much, much better defensive player than he’s given credit for. A lot of that is part of our game plan.”
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So if BYU is protecting him on defense so he can focus entirely on offense, admitting that he doesn't play defense to save on fouls, then how good can he really be on defense? If practice time was all that mattered, then every rookie should be rookie of the year. But practice is only a small part of it. Those skills are really only hone in game time. So they protect him, he doesn't play defense, yet somehow he is a great defensive player?

I don't buy it.

A somewhat faster, shorter Korver who can dribble. That is about it.
 
Xthren said:
I would take him at twenty-two
I would take him you great big piece of poo
I would take Jimmer that is true
I would take him read my haiku
I would take him in his shoe
I would take him To the jazz venue
I would take him the Jimmer kungfu
So yes I would take him at twenty-two
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But do you like green eggs and ham?
 
I thought the article Jazz rule posted was interesting. thanks guys for your comments. there are indeed a lot of Jimmer naysayers. My gut feeling is that Jimmer is going to be a solid Pro,and of course that could bvery well happen... or he could be the next adam Morrison. It will be interesting to see what happens. If he does end up being a stud in the pros, and we are not the ones to draft him, i can't wait to see the threads that will start appearing... "KOC, it's all your fault". :)
 
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