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Eminem said:
I'm all for jimmer at 12. I don't think harris is our point guard of the future
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Jimmer's going to be our point guard of the future because his shot selection will drastically improve, his defense will be transformed and he'll become a distributor. After all, he's clearly one of the best and most versatile athletes to come into the NBA in years. The belief from those who've slurped the Jimmer Jello is truly breathtaking.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I couldn't tell you if the draft couldn't come soon enough (so we can stop this asinine discussion), or if it's infinitely far away (in the fear that Jo Bro gets drafted and the asinine discussion never ends).

I just want assurance that there will be a forum for Jimmer threads if he ends up going to the Jazz,
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I can't wait for him to be on another team. Half the reason I don't want the Jazz to draft him is I don't think I could read anymore fluff and BS from the homer's to prevent my gag reflex from ruining my keyboard. At least if he's somewhere else I won't have to hear about him 24/7. Can you imagine the whinning on here if the Jazz draft him and he never plays?
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Jimmer's going to be our point guard of the future because his shot selection will drastically improve, his defense will be transformed and he'll become a distributor. After all, he's clearly one of the best and most versatile athletes to come into the NBA in years. The belief from those who've slurped the Jimmer Jello is truly breathtaking.
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LMAO. By the sounds of some they do more than slurp his Jell-O!
 
gomretat said:
Did someone really try and argue that the MWC is better than the SEC - in any sport on the planet? Wow. A few good teams do not make a strong conference folks. The zealots are outdoing themselves.

As for Jimmer's shooting, you can keep bashing me but the numbers don't lie. Compare his shooting percentage in college to Ray Allen and Kyle Korver. Over 4 years it is no contest. His range is insane but his percentage leaves a lot to be desired IF drafting someone because of his shooting ability. If you draft at his percentages it should be because of his all around game. Granted, his shot selection this year was at times horrific which contributes to the average %. Somehow that does not make me feel better about drafting him.
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Seriously, if you believe that Jimmer is a poor to average shooter you just not worth arguing with. He was double or triple teamed on every shot he put up inside of 30 feet, and he STILL shot a very good percentage. As for the Mountain West being a good conference, they were the 4th ranked conference in RPI, that would be 2 ahead of the SEC. We all know how you SEC guys love them computer numbers.

The big question is can Jimmer get to the bucket in the pros like he could in college. If he can, there is no reason to believe that he will be a far inferior prospect to Knight. I suspect that anybody that has him in for workouts will test this part of his game. Maybe all he needs is to add the Tony Parker "drive to the basket and flop." Jimmer rarely misses a free throw.

People that act like Knight is far better than Jimmer are as annoying as Jimmer boosters. Knight has the potential to be better in the NBA, but right now Jimmer is the superior player. You are gambling on upside with a point guard. That is something the T-Wolves do. If you are going to gamble on upside, go with a big.
 
gomretat said:
Did someone really try and argue that the MWC is better than the SEC - in any sport on the planet? Wow. A few good teams do not make a strong conference folks. The zealots are outdoing themselves.

As for Jimmer's shooting, you can keep bashing me but the numbers don't lie. Compare his shooting percentage in college to Ray Allen and Kyle Korver. Over 4 years it is no contest. His range is insane but his percentage leaves a lot to be desired IF drafting someone because of his shooting ability. If you draft at his percentages it should be because of his all around game. Granted, his shot selection this year was at times horrific which contributes to the average %. Somehow that does not make me feel better about drafting him.
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You're looking at the numbers while ignoring the degree of difficulty. That's like comparing Dwight Howard to Steve Nash and concluding that Howard is the better shooter due to his percentage.
 
billyshelby said:
I think Leonard is about as good as Brewer. Probably what he'll look like in the pros, too. A solid pick at 15ish. But in this draft he's a definite 8 - 12 guy.
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Brewer played in the SEC. Leonard played in the MWC. That alone means Leonard should be drafted at least 5 spots below Brewer using your reasoning, correct? Brewer was drafted 14.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Jimmer's going to be our point guard of the future because his shot selection will drastically improve, his defense will be transformed and he'll become a distributor. After all, he's clearly one of the best and most versatile athletes to come into the NBA in years. The belief from those who've slurped the Jimmer Jello is truly breathtaking.
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I believe there should be no complaint about taking Jimmer with the 12th but 3rd would be way too early. 12th would be a steal. If we pick up night or walker than I say no no jimmer.
 
Eminem said:
I believe there should be no complaint about taking Jimmer with the 12th but 3rd would be way too early. 12th would be a steal. If we pick up night or walker than I say no no jimmer.
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I propose we package our 3rd,12th, and Al Jefferson to move up to the 1st overall pick to get Jimmer.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Brewer played in the SEC. Leonard played in the MWC. That alone means Leonard should be drafted at least 5 spots below Brewer using your reasoning, correct? Brewer was drafted 14.
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No. I'd say he's an SEC caliber athlete playing in the Mountain Conference who is very similar to Brewer. Since his athleticism translates to the NBA, I don't think the overall lack of competition hurts his stock as much.
 
billyshelby said:
No. I'd say he's an SEC caliber athlete playing in the Mountain Conference who is very similar to Brewer. Since his athleticism translates to the NBA, I don't think the overall lack of competition hurts his stock as much.
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And Fredette's shooting and strength doesn't translate to the NBA?
 
Darkwing Duck said:
And Fredette's shooting and strength doesn't translate to the NBA?
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I don't think I've ever said Jimmer won't be able to score in the NBA. I've also said I believe he will develop into a solid backup point as long as he can play any defense. The only point I've been making in this thread is Jimmer's senior numbers have to be weighed against the fact he was 22 playing in a league that isn't world class. Doesn't mean his stats or talent is invalidated. But older college players have a pretty distinct advantage.
 
food for thought on MW versus SEC

Just some food for thought on the debate of SEC versus MW, from Sagarin ratings, which I would argue gives an apples-to-apples (albeit imperfect) comparision by correcting for schedule strenght, etc:

SEC avg = 91
MW avg = 96


5 Kentucky
15 Florida
36 Vanderbilt
48 Alabama
55 Georgia
59 Tennessee
80 Ole Miss
104 Arkansas
116 South Carolina
124 Mississippi St
221 LSU
229 Auburn


6 San Diego State
8 BYU
28 UNLV
56 New Mexico
81 Colorado State
126 Air Force
138 Utah
186 TCU
231 Wyoming
 
Perhaps a better value from sagarin is the overall strenght of schedule, where BYU is 50th and Kentucky is 15th. Probably a pretty good gauge regarding level of competition for Jimmer versus Knight.
 
silesian,

If you are going to use Sagarin, use Sagarin, not some formulation you made on the back of a napkin. Sagarin has the SEC as a better conference, but the mean is less than half a point. This means that Sagarin considers both coferences roughly equal. The difference between the SOS between Kentucky and BYU is only 2.7 points out of around 80, which also isn't a dramatic difference.

If we draft Knight, we need to remember that he isn't a normal 3 pick and would likely have been a mid-lottery selection in a normal draft. Ther is a decent chance that Jimmer will be the better pro as he is the better player right now. Understandibly Knight has a higher possible ceiling, but that may or may not happen. I wouldn't pick either with the 3 pick.
 
framer said:
If we draft Knight, we need to remember that he isn't a normal 3 pick and would likely have been a mid-lottery selection in a normal draft. Ther is a decent chance that Jimmer will be the better pro as he is the better player right now. Understandibly Knight has a higher possible ceiling, but that may or may not happen. I wouldn't pick either with the 3 pick.
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This.
 
I'd pick Jimmer @ number 12.
Jimmer's shot you just can't shelve.
I'd pick Jimmer in a box.
I'd pick Jimmer with a fox.
I'd pick Jimmer before my nose.
I'd pick Jimmer anywhere I s'pose.
I'd pick Jimmer before Knight.
I'd pick Jimmer in those tights.
If we pick Jimmer he won't blow.
If we pick Jimmer you'll all eat crow.
I'd pick Jimmer to shoot the 3.
Your gonna wish you wanted Jimmer, you will see.
 
JazzSpazz said:
I'd pick Jimmer @ number 12.
Jimmer's shot you just can't shelve.
I'd pick Jimmer in a box.
I'd pick Jimmer with a fox.
I'd pick Jimmer before my nose.
I'd pick Jimmer anywhere I s'pose.
I'd pick Jimmer before Knight.
I'd pick Jimmer in those tights.
If we pick Jimmer he won't blow.
If we pick Jimmer you'll all eat crow.
I'd pick Jimmer to shoot the 3.
Your gonna wish you wanted Jimmer, you will see.
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I do not like your poetry slam.
I do not like JazzSpazz I am.
 
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