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John Stockton’s dirty little secret

Ron Mexico said:
The year I posted Stockton had a lower assist percentage which is a more accurate than just assists. The next year that thee claims is better Stockton had less steals than him. It's overwhelming when you look at all the stats how many categories CP3 is better than a Stockton stats wise. I think there are reasons for that including different rules.


I dislike Chris Paul. I dislike arguing for him and I think Stockton was a better player. But in his peak years Stockton is factually worse on stats alone. I guess if you look for the couple things he is slightly better and ignore advanced stats and other things he is worse at, homer glasses make him look better.
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I don’t care if Stockton only averaged 5 assists and 5 points. He would still be the better player by far


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He was one of the most unique players to ever suit up. Unlike Magic or Thomas or Oscar, what they did have been reproduced, there will never be anything like Stockton. No one ever played the game like him and no one ever will. IMO there has never been a smarter more selfless and consistent player like Stockton. The only thing he lacked was a true championship level roster.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
He was one of the most unique players to ever suit up. Unlike Magic or Thomas or Oscar, what they did have been reproduced, there will never be anything like Stockton. No one ever played the game like him and no one ever will. IMO there has never been a smarter more selfless and consistent player like Stockton. The only thing he lacked was a true championship level roster.
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Who has reproduced what Magic did?
 
fishonjazz said:
I dont believe you
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Well, you are wrong. Chris Paul is one of my least favorite players. Hence why I have made a slew of posts hating on him and have posted pictures of him peeing his pants over the years.



But I think you are confusing me not being a blind homer for Stockton with dislike for him and like for other players.
 
fishonjazz said:
And lebron sometimes too.
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Not me. He’s not LBJ at all
Ron Mexico said:
I guess there are some dumb people. Are you one of those dumb people that think Simmons has reproduced what Magic did?
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Lol, your saying there games don’t at all resemble each other even in the slightest, not saying he’s as good as magic or ever will be, but if you don’t think there aren’t any similarities then that just means you will say whatever you need to, to further your arguments. You’re already on record as saying you don’t think Stockton is that good and overrated. You have 0 credibility, and you clearly are too young to have ever watched Stockton in his prime, or you wouldn’t be making these arguments, that or you did see him, but are brain dead.


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Thee jazz fan said:
Not me. He’s not LBJ at all


Lol, your saying there games don’t at all resemble each other even in the slightest, not saying he’s as good as magic or ever will be, but if you don’t think there aren’t any similarities then that just means you will say whatever you need to, to further your arguments. You’re already on record as saying you don’t think Stockton is that good and overrated. You have 0 credibility, and you clearly are too young to have ever watched Stockton in his prime, or you wouldn’t be making these arguments, that or you did see him, but are brain dead.


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They might have similarities. But if you say they have similar games then lots of people have similar games to Stockton.

Yes, I am on record thinking you believe Stockton is overrated. But you think Stockton and Malone are the GOATs, so its a pretty safe claim.

Also we are pretty much the same age so I agree that we are too young to have really watched Stockton and remember him well. Great point.
 
I would imagine John Stockton is a top 4 or 5 point guard all-time. Is anybody here prepared to put CP3 over john, in that top 4/5 category?

Also, longevity and durability should never be counted against a player when it comes to judging their legacy.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Well, you are wrong. Chris Paul is one of my least favorite players. Hence why I have made a slew of posts hating on him and have posted pictures of him peeing his pants over the years.



But I think you are confusing me not being a blind homer for Stockton with dislike for him and like for other players.
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I think it’s more that you seem to enjoy being critical of Stockton. Not just in this thread/convo either. I have seen this take from you in the past as well. And both times you really really dug your heels in and went on and on about it. Seemed to really enjoy trashing Stockton both times. (Of course you always throw in a “I think Stockton is great” type of comment right after telling everyone how he wasn’t really that great so that if anyone calls you a hater you can be like no I’m not remember when I said he was great?)

If you didn’t like it then it seems like you would just make a critical post or two about Stockton and leave it that and let people disagree rather than page after page of debate.

Just a bad look really. But whatever, I’m out.
 
fishonjazz said:
I think it’s more that you seem to enjoy being critical of Stockton. Not just in this thread/convo either. I have seen this take from you in the past as well. And both times you really really dug your heels in and went on and on about it. Seemed to really enjoy trashing Stockton both times. (Of course you always throw in a “I think Stockton is great” type of comment right after telling everyone how he wasn’t really that great so that if anyone calls you a hater you can be like no I’m not remember when I said he was great?)

If you didn’t like it then it seems like you would just make a critical post or two about Stockton and leave it that and let people disagree rather than page after page of debate.

Just a bad look really. But whatever, I’m out.
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That's how you take it.

I never bashed on Stockton or was critical of him in this thread.

But yes, I do disagree with people that make ludicrous claims about Stockton or other players. And yes, when people debate me about their silly claims that are false I defend myself.

Maybe it's just too sensitive a subject for you and thee.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Maybe he would have shot more but passed less. He also would have shot worse if he shot more. Also you were like 10 in 88, too young to know what's happening.
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There is no proven corollary between shooting more and shooting worse. That is just conjecture. It could be argued that in today's NBA he would have shot even better percentages since the game plan is built around open 3's, and in his day he shot a lot of his 3's likely late in the shot clock, under pressure, as it was viewed mostly as a secondary to a broken primary play.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
I’ve been watching old classics all day, and Stockton uses his left plenty. It just seems like he doesn’t because he’s not flashy or anything.


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Agreed, but there is really no denying that he was very right-dominant. I just don't think that really mattered that much. When you are that good, and you are doing it with a very minor handicap (a weak left), well that just shows an even higher skill level imo. It just cannot be argued that simply because he used his right hand more than his left it diminishes his accomplishments in any meaningful way.
 
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