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The Jazz are crazy if they give up anything for Crowder. The Celts need us not the reverse. Screw Danny.
[Jones]BREAKING: Jazz willing to engage Celtics in S&T talks: But Gordon Hayward must agree
The Jazz are crazy if they give up anything for Crowder. The Celts need us not the reverse. Screw Danny.
I'm sure they talked about it, but couldn't come to a deal. Now ainge is probably weighing all the options
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seattlejazzfan
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Oh he can bother the shot, but just as important he'll keep a guy like that from establishing good position on the block on potential post ups.
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Mongoose
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Are Boston fans that stupid..? They are saying that we need to send them Favors or any other number of players. Do they not realize they are having to shed salary? They will not be getting players back in any trade for the guys they have on the chopping block.
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Not really... tough to use unfair and indicate we should give up an asset when they are *** raping our roster and take an asset we have developed for 7 years and they get all the fruits. You can't silo off two transactions in this scenario completely.
This is business and this stuff happens in business all the time. Neither transaction in a vacuum is fair but the whole transaction is a giant net positive for them.
I think we talked with them and they want 1.50 on the dollar for crowder because ainge is a pirate. DL says well how about a couple seconds and we let Gordon save face. They say **** off... if Gordon and his agent really are so concerned with us they need to help us. If not they look even worse... we have found out how much brand means to Gordon so who knows.
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Rozier is a PG, not a position of need. Crowder is by far the best fit for both teams -- the C's have a glut at SF.
I don't think he can. He doesn't guard oversized pfs like that in the East.
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mellow
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Nothing gets done without Jazz paying more. Danny and Bartlestein already stole the biggest chip.
Jazz have no leverage, Boston has neither need nor urgency.
Haywood and Bartlestein's willingness doesn't change the equation.
It is the Jazz who have an urgent need and that puts Danny in the power position.
Jazz have no leverage, Boston has neither need nor urgency.
Haywood and Bartlestein's willingness doesn't change the equation.
It is the Jazz who have an urgent need and that puts Danny in the power position.
Hedda Gambler
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Then let them find room elsewhere. We only make the trade if it's a deal we like. If not, they'll have to make room for Indiana Judas without our help.
seattlejazzfan
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He didn't with regularityl because he was a SF, but did fine on switches. At 6'6", he'll have weaknesses defending PFs, but his strengths as an overall defender will help balance those out.
Mongoose
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I get it... They can trade them to another team, but they aren't trading Smart and Crowder for another star player like DJ. Literally the only thing they can take back in a trade is a draft pick. It isn't unreasonable to think that Boston needs to give up additional assets for a team to take on the salary of one of these guys.
Miggs
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But they don't. They could just do their four year max I think.
Mongoose
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I'm not a cap expert, but if a team needs to be under the salary cap to make a trade with boston and provide any relief, I only see 6 or 7 teams that can provide it. I'm sure there are reasons it may not work for some which would reduce this list further. For example Brooklyn is one of the teams and I can't imagine they would have assets to give to boston. http://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/
Someone with some more know how might want to chime in.
Someone with some more know how might want to chime in.
Yeah
Not to mention there is no incentive for the teams with the cap space to offer Boston s*** for Crowder, Smart or Bradley because they know that Boston has to shed salary. Lowball city.
If I can summarize the situation I would do it like this:
1. Boston is not going to gift us Crowder or Bradley or Smart. As long as there is market for them, they would get the best offer that's on the market.
2. There is a small advantage the Jazz provide to the Celtics as a potential suitor for Crowder/Bradley/Smart - they get to keep their full mid-level exception(if I'm not mistaken, somebody correct me if I'm wrong, please). This is a very small +, but if what we offer is close to what others offer Boston might be willing to do it.
3. If Boston wants to keep all of Bradley/Smart/Crowder, the Jazz are the only team that can enable that through sign and trade of Rozier+other stuff. The question is how much value is it worth it for Boston to keep them as opposed to getting an asset for one of them? Can we get 1 first? Or 2? Maybe a first and a second? I don't know, this is where DL has to earn his money and correctly gauge what the trio is worth to Boston. A possible trade would be Rozier+Jackson+BOS2018 first(or LAC 2019 first)?
1. Boston is not going to gift us Crowder or Bradley or Smart. As long as there is market for them, they would get the best offer that's on the market.
2. There is a small advantage the Jazz provide to the Celtics as a potential suitor for Crowder/Bradley/Smart - they get to keep their full mid-level exception(if I'm not mistaken, somebody correct me if I'm wrong, please). This is a very small +, but if what we offer is close to what others offer Boston might be willing to do it.
3. If Boston wants to keep all of Bradley/Smart/Crowder, the Jazz are the only team that can enable that through sign and trade of Rozier+other stuff. The question is how much value is it worth it for Boston to keep them as opposed to getting an asset for one of them? Can we get 1 first? Or 2? Maybe a first and a second? I don't know, this is where DL has to earn his money and correctly gauge what the trio is worth to Boston. A possible trade would be Rozier+Jackson+BOS2018 first(or LAC 2019 first)?