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Sardines said:
if I'm buying fresh milk It's for a recipe so I but as little as I need for that recipe. They do sell pints of milk.
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The hell you say?!!

I have 4 kids, when they were at home we only bought milk by the barrel. Dump out the fish, fill that sucker with milk, done and done!
 
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View: https://twitter.com/VoughtIntl/status/1848881071016038494?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Lol now this is trolling. Could you imagine Hitler doing this? Serving up fries to customers at McDonald's?

It's astonishing how triggered the cult is over something so innocent though. They know the optics of this are huge for Trump. People get it. The cult have to tear it down though. Something so amazingly pointless they are losing their minds about. Going to McDonalds is Hitler. Lol
 
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It’s always been about inflicting pain on “woke”. Trump talking like a horrible human being is exactly what his followers want..

www.theatlantic.com

Trump’s Depravity Will Not Cost Him This Election

Many Americans know exactly who Trump is, and they like it.
www.theatlantic.com www.theatlantic.com

The belief that at some point Trump voters will have finally had enough is an ordinary human response to seeing people you care about—in this case fellow citizens—associate with someone you know to be awful. Much like watching a friend in an unhealthy relationship, you think that each new outrage is going to be the one that provokes the final split, and yet it never does: Your friend, instead of breaking off the relationship, makes excuses. He didn’t mean it. You don’t understand him like I do.

But this analogy is wrong, because it’s based on the faulty assumption that one of the people in the relationship is unhappy. Maybe the better analogy is the friend you didn’t know very well in high school, someone who perhaps was quiet and not very popular, who shows up at your 20th reunion on the arm of a loudmouthed boor—think a cross between Herb Tarlek and David Duke—who tells offensive stories and racist jokes. She thinks he’s wonderful and laughs at everything he says.

But what she really enjoys, all these years after high school, is how uncomfortable he’s making you.

And this, in brief, is the problem for Kamala Harris in this election. She and others have likely hoped that, at some point, Trump will reveal himself as such an obvious, existential threat that even many Republican voters will walk away from him. (She delivered a short statement today emphasizing Kelly’s comments.) For millions of the GOP faithful, however, Trump’s daily attempts to breach new frontiers of hideousness are not offensive but reassuring. They want Trump to be awful—precisely because the people they view as their political foes will be so appalled if he wins. If Trump’s campaign was focused on handing out tax breaks and lowering gas prices, he’d be losing, because for his base, none of that yawn-inducing policy stuff is transgressive enough to be exciting. (Just ask Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis, who each in their own way tried to run as a Trump alternative.)

Some Trump voters may believe his lies. But plenty more want Trump to be terrifying and stomach-turning so that reelecting him will be a fully realized act of social revenge. Harris cannot propose any policy, offer any benefit, or adopt any position that competes with that feeling.

Exactly why so many Americans feel this way is a complicated story—I wrote an entire book about it—but a toxic combination of social resentment, entitlement, and racial insecurity drives many Trump voters to believe not only that other Americans are looking down on them but that they are doing so while living an undeservedly good life. These others must be punished or at least brought down to a common level of misery to balance the scales, and Trump is the guy to do it.
 
Red said:
It’s always been about inflicting pain on “woke”.

www.theatlantic.com

Trump’s Depravity Will Not Cost Him This Election

Many Americans know exactly who Trump is, and they like it.
www.theatlantic.com www.theatlantic.com

The belief that at some point Trump voters will have finally had enough is an ordinary human response to seeing people you care about—in this case fellow citizens—associate with someone you know to be awful. Much like watching a friend in an unhealthy relationship, you think that each new outrage is going to be the one that provokes the final split, and yet it never does: Your friend, instead of breaking off the relationship, makes excuses. He didn’t mean it. You don’t understand him like I do.

But this analogy is wrong, because it’s based on the faulty assumption that one of the people in the relationship is unhappy. Maybe the better analogy is the friend you didn’t know very well in high school, someone who perhaps was quiet and not very popular, who shows up at your 20th reunion on the arm of a loudmouthed boor—think a cross between Herb Tarlek and David Duke—who tells offensive stories and racist jokes. She thinks he’s wonderful and laughs at everything he says.

But what she really enjoys, all these years after high school, is how uncomfortable he’s making you.

And this, in brief, is the problem for Kamala Harris in this election. She and others have likely hoped that, at some point, Trump will reveal himself as such an obvious, existential threat that even many Republican voters will walk away from him. (She delivered a short statement today emphasizing Kelly’s comments.) For millions of the GOP faithful, however, Trump’s daily attempts to breach new frontiers of hideousness are not offensive but reassuring. They want Trump to be awful—precisely because the people they view as their political foes will be so appalled if he wins. If Trump’s campaign was focused on handing out tax breaks and lowering gas prices, he’d be losing, because for his base, none of that yawn-inducing policy stuff is transgressive enough to be exciting. (Just ask Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis, who each in their own way tried to run as a Trump alternative.)
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Disagree. It won't cost him because people aren't voting for Trump's virtue. They are voting for the job he does. People see the cost of food at the store and they want the job Trump did. People see the wars spiraling out of control and they want the job Trump did.
 
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Senate Democrats running away from Harris in ‘blue wall’ states​


Democrats running for the Senate in “blue wall” states that will be critical to determining the outcome of the 2024 election are running away from Vice President Harris, signaling that they are hoping to win over some of former President Trump’s voters to keep their seats.

And Democratic candidates in those states have been careful about criticizing Trump during the high-stakes debates. They have focused on policy and their own records without taking many — or any — shots against the Republican nominee.

Pennsylvania incumbent Sen. Bob Casey (D) has even embraced Trump’s tariff policies. His campaign launched an ad last week that described him as “independent” and touted how he “bucked” the Biden administration to protect fracking and “sided with Trump to end NAFTA.”
 
Red said:
If Trump’s campaign was focused on handing out tax breaks and lowering gas prices, he’d be losing, because for his base, none of that yawn-inducing policy stuff is transgressive enough to be exciting. (Just ask Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis, who each in their own way tried to run as a Trump alternative.)
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Great post all around but I think the quoted part is an especially good point.
 
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fishonjazz said:
Great post all around but I think the quoted part is an especially good point.
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Disagree. Ron DeSantis was beat by the Democrat who pour more money into defeating him during the primaries than they spend supporting their own candidates. The Democrats wanted Trump because they thought they could beat Trump. As for Nikki Haley, Republicans are done with neocons. They can have Liz Cheney. If they want Nikki Haley, they can have her too. I would remind you that Nikki Haley was on the corporate board of Boeing. Anyone having anything to do with that company should be shunned.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
Disagree. It won't cost him because people aren't voting for Trump's virtue. They are voting for the job he does. People see the cost of food at the store and they want the job Trump did. People see the wars spiraling out of control and they want the job Trump did.
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Can you tell me what he will actually do to help those things?

Can you tell me his policies and what they will do to help? Because you and others seem to have just given up on defending Trump as not a terrible person. And it just keeps coming down to policy policy policy. I have no idea what could make you think Trump is some master of policy who has all the right ideas. Because it certainly couldn't be hearing him talk about it.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
Can you tell me his policies and what they will do to help? Because you and others seem to have just given up on defending Trump as not a terrible person. And it just keeps coming down to policy policy policy. I have no idea what could make you think Trump is some master of policy who has all the right ideas. Because it certainly couldn't be hearing him talk about it.
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I can't fault anything you said there. Trump is a terrible person, and he doesn't talk about his policies in an effective manner.

The two biggest things he can do to combat inflation is to stop the illegal trillion dollar Executive Order giveaways in student loan forgiveness and other vote-buying efforts, in conjunction with fostering good relations with the Sunni Arab states in the Middle East to keep oil prices contained. The Fed almost has the inflation rate back to 2%. I think if Trump can do those two small things, it will be enough to stabilize inflation.

With regards to the widening war, that is where Trump shines. He is an absolute f***er in negotiations. He will flatter. He will threaten. He will stab people. There was an interaction between Putin and Trump early in Trump's Presidency. I forget the details but Trump told Putin to stop what he was doing or he'd "bomb the s**t out of him". Putin didn't blink and flatly retorted "no, you won't." Trump's response to that was a wry smile and "I might" as he turned and walked away. That was the end of the exchange and Putin did not do what Trump had told him not to do. Trump is not a good guy, but sometimes that is what you need. When Trump was in office, some leaders were afraid of him, and the world was a less scary place because of it.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
Can you tell me what he will actually do to help those things?

Can you tell me his policies and what they will do to help?
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No he can't.
He can only throw out a bunch of hypothetical word salads.

Presidents don't control the price of stuff and the things that trump actually may be able to control (cutting taxes all over the place and placing huge tariffs on everything and deporting millions of low wage workers, though I don't actually think he has the ability to accomplish that one) will only make the prices on things increase according to economic experts and nobel prize winners..... And even AL himself a while back told me that trumps policies will make prices rise in the short term. Al just thought that in the long run things would get better.

It's not about policy. It's about culture wars. It's about fighting the enemy within! It's about fellow Americans needing to be stopped and put in their place.


Remember trumps amazing policies he ran on in 2016? He is gonna make Mexico pay for a border wall. He is going to give a us great new healthcare plan. Ya right.
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Al-O-Meter said:
I can't fault anything you said there. Trump is a terrible person, and he doesn't talk about his policies in an effective manner.

The two biggest things he can do to combat inflation is to stop the illegal trillion dollar Executive Order giveaways in student loan forgiveness and other vote-buying efforts, in conjunction with fostering good relations with the Sunni Arab states in the Middle East to keep oil prices contained. The Fed almost has the inflation rate back to 2%. I think if Trump can do those two small things, it will be enough to stabilize inflation.

With regards to the widening war, that is where Trump shines. He is an absolute f***er in negotiations. He will flatter. He will threaten. He will stab people. There was an interaction between Putin and Trump early in Trump's Presidency. I forget the details but Trump told Putin to stop what he was doing or he'd "bomb the s**t out of him". Putin didn't blink and flatly retorted "no, you won't." Trump's response to that was a wry smile and "I might" as he turned and walked away. That was the end of the exchange and Putin did not do what Trump had told him not to do. Trump is not a good guy, but sometimes that is what you need. When Trump was in office, some leaders were afraid of him, and the world was a less scary place because of it.
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Well, I appreciate the candidness and response.

I won't pretend to know the ins and outs of doing those things, but should it come to pass I will hope you are right.

I'm feeling pretty damn pessimistic about this election. So if he wins I'm just gonna have to hope to god you guys have Trump pegged better than me and the rest of these hysterical Dems do.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
Well, I appreciate the candidness and response.

I won't pretend to know the ins and outs of doing those things, but should it come to pass I will hope you are right.

I'm feeling pretty damn pessimistic about this election. So if he wins I'm just gonna have to hope to god you guys have Trump pegged better than me and the rest of these hysterical Dems do.
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not just better than you and the hysterical Democrats but also better than his own cabinet, his own current VP running mate (called him Hitler), his previous VP, military generals, many Republican politicians, including the Senate minority leader, economic nobel prize award winners, etc do.

trump has trained many people somehow to just trust him. That he knows what he is doing and knows more about everything than anyone. Despite the fact that trump also lied more than anyone about everything.

It's pretty crazy stuff

People on jazzfanz like Al know more about trump than those who know him and have spent tons of time with him. Jazzfanz posters know more about how his economic policies will effect the economy than nobel prize winning economists.

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Bawse Dawg said:
Well, I appreciate the candidness and response.

I won't pretend to know the ins and outs of doing those things, but should it come to pass I will hope you are right.

I'm feeling pretty damn pessimistic about this election. So if he wins I'm just gonna have to hope to god you guys have Trump pegged better than me and the rest of these hysterical Dems do.
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The election is going to be close. Either way, I think we'll be okay. At least that is what I hope.
 
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