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Kanter being detained in Romania

I really dislike Kanter for his lackluster play here and how he treated the Jazz, but this is a sad situation I wouldn't wish on anyone.
 
Joncolton said:
Basketball is one thing. These are peoples lives and freedom being taken away - I can't joke about Kanter in regards to this matter. Especially when you consider his family may have disowned him simply so that they aren't imprisoned or killed.


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Overthrowing the government which is there by election is a serious matter. And Kanter explicitly supports this idiotic cult with disgusting ideas and illegal attempts. He is only passport taken in Turkey, and would be imprisoned if he attempts to enter the country. He would be shot in any other country by doing what he already did.
He is a clear liar, cheater, traitor with brain damage. Stop it about "ohh this is about humanity, freedom blabla" without knowing the matter. He clearly manipulates everyone he can against his own country. And he says im not doing something wrong. I pity my time i spent here supporting this scumbag.

Also the worst about him is; his defense sucks.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
I was never a fan of Kanter but I do think he was mismanaged by the Jazz, mainly because of the Corbin era during which KOC backed up Corbin by not allowing Kanter and Favors to develop by trading for Big Al and keeping Sap which to a degree also stunted Favors' growth. I think that was when the emphasis should've been put on Kanter's defense and lateral movement. It never happened and now he is a one-dimensional player, all offense and very weak defense. So, his disenchantment with Utah is understandable.

However, I think he is actually being courageous in standing up to the dictator, and it wouldn't at all surprise me if his family is taking the position they are because of fear of reprisal.
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So how come someone WHO got more than 50% of votes is a dictator? Just because Kanter said so? OR thats what you here in TV? I also read in news once; "American Heroes entered Iraq and saved people from the tyrant!" Well eventually a few millions of civilians have died because of these heroes. TV and newspapers might be very misleading. Everyone is writing their own truths as history. And we as common people just nod them like sheeps.

I follow Kanter closely since his days in Fenerbahçe till now. How he left Fenerbahçe was just stupid and not ethical. How he left Jazz and talked thrashed behind should be just annoying to you as a jazzfan just like me. Wasting one year in Kentucky without even getting to play is his fault. The fact that he couldnt improve his defense is his fault. And he is 100% guilty here. And about his family thing; he shouldn't have been so selfish to put his family in this situation just because he is a rich NBA player and he doesnt need any love from his own country to survive for rest of his life.

He has braindamage and is brainwashed. And he has character problems. Hedo Turkoglu said the same thing about Kanter; that he is totally dumb.
 
sepanol said:
So how come someone WHO got more than 50% of votes is a dictator? Just because Kanter said so? OR thats what you here in TV? I also read in news once; "American Heroes entered Iraq and saved people from the tyrant!" Well eventually a few millions of civilians have died because of these heroes. TV and newspapers might be very misleading. Everyone is writing their own truths as history. And we as common people just nod them like sheeps.

I follow Kanter closely since his days in Fenerbahçe till now. How he left Fenerbahçe was just stupid and not ethical. How he left Jazz and talked thrashed behind should be just annoying to you as a jazzfan just like me. Wasting one year in Kentucky without even getting to play is his fault. The fact that he couldnt improve his defense is his fault. And he is 100% guilty here. And about his family thing; he shouldn't have been so selfish to put his family in this situation just because he is a rich NBA player and he doesnt need any love from his own country to survive for rest of his life.

He has braindamage and is brainwashed. And he has character problems. Hedo Turkoglu said the same thing about Kanter; that he is totally dumb.
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Republics have a tendency to sooner or later elect a dictator. We're getting pretty close here in the US as well. Still Trump has not yet moved to change the Constitution to increase his powers or extend his reign. Erdogan on the other hand has done both.
 
♪alt13 said:
Republics have a tendency to sooner or later elect a dictator. We're getting pretty close here in the US as well. Still Trump has not yet moved to change the Constitution to increase his powers or extend his reign. Erdogan on the other hand has done both.
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I think neither of them are dictators. We arent living in early 20th century. The conditions arent set for dictatorship. Even if they have dictator souls inside, they cant be. USA and Turkey not the right countries for that.
 
sepanol said:
I think neither of them are dictators. We arent living in early 20th century. The conditions arent set for dictatorship. Even if they have dictator souls inside, they cant be. USA and Turkey not the right countries for that.
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What you say about Kanter makes sense because I have not followed him that closely. However, though we may not have dictatorship in the "Western" world, we have lost or are losing democracy. As Noam Chomsky has said we have "manufactured consent" so that those in power are virtual dictators when it comes to important decisions -- note that we rig elections, we censor or influence news reporting, and we use P-R tactics to persuade the electorate of information that supports the government's agendas (e.g., global warming), and we punish truth-telling whistle-blowers like Snowden and Chelsea Manning.
 
JimLes said:
I think you'll find that dictators not only tend to get 50%+ in elections, but often close to 100%.
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What you mean is in order words, people like to get f...ed willingly. I thought a dictator means someone who does that by force.
 
sepanol said:
What you mean is in order words, people like to get f...ed willingly. I thought a dictator means someone who does that by force.
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No, it means the dictator leaves no alternatives. He jails teenagers for mocking him on facebook, he jails journalists and dissenters for disagreeing, he creates a climate where there is chilling of free speech or straight up punishment for speech against the regime/leader. He eliminates the press that goes against his rule, etc. A lot of the dictators of the 20th century were initially elected/voted for(this includes Lenin, Stalin(kinda), Hitler, Mussolini, etc). I'd recommend the book "On tyranny" Timothy Snyder.

My grandfather was jailed and sentenced to death by the communist regime in my country. His crime? Him and his family refused to hand in their livestock and lands to the communist regime that wanted to nationalize everything. Many were jailed/killed for speaking against the regime. There was a whole apparatus devised by the regime(State Security) of regular people snitching on their neighbors for subversive speech against the regime and the dear leader and everybody knew it... not only were you not allowed to say subversive things, you could even talk with your friends about it, because you never knew who is snitching to the special division of the police forces formed to deal with such dissenters. This is how you get a country where nobody wants to resist and the one that do, get jailed for it. This is how you get elections where the ruling party gets 90%+ of the vote and the rest is left to their sister party that's being kept only for appearance of people having a choice. There really isn't one.
 
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SCS said:
All past Jazz history aside, I hope he gets back to the US safely. Nobody should be treated poorly for political views.
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Who cares? God is sending him straight to hell anyway. Might as well file the paperwork an get the process started straight away.
 
Not necessarily. The strongest dictators and oligarchs gain their strength from the votes they received. This way, they will have the case to always mention this fact and do what they want relying on it.
 
stitches said:
No, it means the dictator leaves no alternatives. He jails teenagers for mocking him on facebook, he jails journalists and dissenters for disagreeing, he creates a climate where there is chilling of free speech or straight up punishment for speech against the regime/leader. He eliminates the press that goes against his rule, etc. A lot of the dictators of the 20th century were initially elected/voted for(this includes Lenin, Stalin(kinda), Hitler, Mussolini, etc). I'd recommend the book "On tyranny" Timothy Snyder.

My grandfather was jailed and sentenced to death by the communist regime in my country. His crime? Him and his family refused to hand in their livestock and lands to the communist regime that wanted to nationalize everything. Many were jailed/killed for speaking against the regime. There was a whole apparatus devised by the regime(State Security) of regular people snitching on their neighbors for subversive speech against the regime and the dear leader and everybody knew it... not only were you not allowed to say subversive things, you could even talk with your friends about it, because you never knew who is snitching to the special division of the police forces formed to deal with such dissenters. This is how you get a country where nobody wants to resist and the one that do, get jailed for it. This is how you get elections where the ruling party gets 90%+ of the vote and the rest is left to their sister party that's being kept only for appearance of people having a choice. There really isn't one.
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Very good sum up. What country are you from?
 
stitches said:
Bulgaria.
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I made some Bulgarian friends when I was serving as a missionary in Germany in 1990-1991, a young couple who had fled from the oppression in Bulgaria. Great people with a great attitude. They loved to poke fun at themselves, and it took me some getting used to them nodding their heads for "no" and shaking their heads for "yes"! I really regret losing contact with them. Of course, this was pre-internet. I hope they were able to make a great life for themselves.
 
colton said:
I made some Bulgarian friends when I was serving as a missionary in Germany in 1990-1991, a young couple who had fled from the oppression in Bulgaria. Great people with a great attitude. They loved to poke fun at themselves, and it took me some getting used to them nodding their heads for "no" and shaking their heads for "yes"! I really regret losing contact with them. Of course, this was pre-internet. I hope they were able to make a great life for themselves.
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Haha, yes... that's an adjustment :p
 
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