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Kanter & Burks Start P3

Cyrone Torbin said:
I didn't know when this turned into a discussion about his basketball ability. We are just talking about his ability to move and be athletic.
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your distinction between a discussion about 'basketball ability' and a discussion about 'tuning and improvements to his game' is a bad one.

(nice Avatar... literally right at this very moment I'm writing about the problems in Descartes' thinking......)

merging of worlds
 
vslice02 said:
Most NBA players are already above-average athletes so taking part in specialized training such as P3 usually only results in marginal benefits - but I expect to see some huge gains from Kanter because his biggest problem IMO is balance, core stability and explosion. He simply can't get off the ground quickly enough - he always has to gather himself before going up. Too often he catches the ball flat-footed at the rim but brings the ball down below his waist to gather himself before going up strong. He also has a promising jump hook but too often he relies on the up&under because he lacked the balance and lift to go straight up. Not expecting him to become an explosive dunker, but being able to dunk the basketball from a flat-footed position will make him a much more effective player.
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I expect to too, mainly in regards to put back speed, because I think half of his problems in that area are mental and technique driven.

Like you said though, people expecting a huge visible change into Ibaka are going to be severely underwhelmed.
 
NAOS said:
your distinction between a discussion about 'basketball ability' and a discussion about 'tuning and improvements to his game' is a bad one.

(nice Avatar... literally right at this very moment I'm writing about the problems in Descartes' thinking......)

merging of worlds
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His main picture on Wiki was too good to pass up.

Also your avatar makes me picture you as a dying fetus on life support. What is it?
 
NAOS said:
your distinction between a discussion about 'basketball ability' and a discussion about 'tuning and improvements to his game' is a bad one.

(nice Avatar... literally right at this very moment I'm writing about the problems in Descartes' thinking......)

merging of worlds
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No, we are talking about his athletic ability and how it translates to his game. Not him being able to improve his game. I expect him to make huge improvements in his game from a skills and mentality standpoint.
 
Not that it's a perfect measure, but Kanter had a better lane agility time than Favors at the pre-draft combine. He has really quick feet for a guy so strong down low. He's not as fluid as Ibaka obviously, but he's not some clumsy oaf out on the court.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
No, we are talking about his athletic ability and how it translates to his game. Not him being able to improve his game. I expect him to make huge improvements in his game from a skills and mentality standpoint.
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so basically you don't disagree with me, but you are holding onto the fact that because he won't fly through the air like Ibaka he therefore won't look like Ibaka. Core strengthening + a greater feel for the game + serious commitment to PnR defense (which he has already demonstrated to be good at) will leave him in the same breath as Ibaka (IN THIS MOTHER****ING RESPECT)
 
I'm not sure what "hip extension" is, but watching Enes this year, I always thought he should be bending from the knees a lot more on the block. Doing so would make it a lot harder for defenders to strip him when he tries to spin baseline (along with not posting so deep and driving back with his lead leg). His flexibility and explosiveness are poor. Hopefully p3 can help him out.
 
GVC said:
Not that it's a perfect measure, but Kanter had a better lane agility time than Favors at the pre-draft combine. He has really quick feet for a guy so strong down low. He's not as fluid as Ibaka obviously, but he's not some clumsy oaf out on the court.
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Dr. Descartes refuses these combine results out of hand. Thanks for trying. It's all about the Wright Bros. and human flight mother****er.
 
imo, kanter, at least, is an average athlete. the way he runs the floor and the way he moves laterally is not bad. while he is a decent leaper, he lacks explosiveness. he can't jump off the court quickly. if he has a step or two, he can jump well (i think he has a 33 inch max vertical). so his biggest weakness is that he can't jump quickly and lacks explosiveness.
 
Awesome news from P3. They've determined what we see his weaknesses are athletically. This is great.

I don't know why you guys don't like Kanter's lateral movement. I thought his pick and roll defense this year was good. He had 2 incredible PnR plays that I remember.
1 of them, he gaurded the PG from the 3 pt line and forced him baseline underneath the basket.
A 7 foot heavy guy forced a 6 foot PG into a bad position!

I wanna say that this was against Felton, but am not 100%. Wish I had a clip.
 
I agree with underkanter. Kanter actually guards the pick and roll well on the outside. His problem is sometimes he goes to far out of the key to get back if there is a counter to the pick and roll. What Kanter needs is explosiveness, a jump hook shot and more consistency on his jumper.
 
NAOS said:
so basically you don't disagree with me, but you are holding onto the fact that because he won't fly through the air like Ibaka he therefore won't look like Ibaka. Core strengthening + a greater feel for the game + serious commitment to PnR defense (which he has already demonstrated to be good at) will leave him in the same breath as Ibaka (IN THIS MOTHER****ING RESPECT)
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You said ability to move laterally like Ibaka.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
You said ability to move laterally like Ibaka.
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which I stand behind.

My claim is that you see Ibaka fly and say "gollie he's athletic... Kanter can't sniff anything he can do," when actually their lateral movement isn't as far apart as you seem to think (stats bear this out, btw... I'm not just making **** up). Plus, his lateral movement stands to get much better with some fine-tuning training + a greater feel for the game that comes with experience. Any athlete will tell you the latter is important to the former. You may disagree from your couch if you'd like.

Stop getting decimated.
 
Can anyone name a couple of players who got noticeably more athletic since joining the NBA? Please exclude anyone who went through major weight loss.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Can anyone name a couple of players who got noticeably more athletic since joining the NBA? Please exclude anyone who went through major weight loss.
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... and for everybody playing along, please notice how Cy refuses to limit this discussion of "athleticism" to 'lateral movement' (despite everything short of begging), and how he implies a greater distance between Ibaka and Kanter in the phrase "noticeably more athletic". In other words, this is a poorly worded question pointed toward faulty argumentation. But, have at it....
 
NAOS said:
... and for everybody playing along, please notice how Cy refuses to limit this discussion of "athleticism" to 'lateral movement' (despite everything short of begging), and how he implies a greater distance between Ibaka and Kanter in the phrase "noticeably more athletic". In other words, this is a poorly worded question pointed toward faulty argumentation. But, have at it....
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So no?
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
So no? (in other words, I'm getting creamed in this discussion about particular players and I want to reroute this to a sloppy discussion about players in general while simultaneously continuing to ignore the terms of the discussion.)
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again. classic.
 
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