larryselbows
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There must be a level of skill involved with it too. So maybe he just got better at it.
Kanter & Burks Start P3
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There must be a level of skill involved with it too. So maybe he just got better at it.
orangello
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It seems like balance is a big part of it. I would like to think that having better balance would also mean better footwork and muscle control. That seems like it would translate to playing better.
Gyp Rosetti
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I'm sorry but all these P3 "gains" feel like crap to me. I'm not saying the training is; working those muscles can pay dividends. But generally speaking, these "gains" reek of simply having your body assimilate to the drill/exercise at hand more than anything else. Burks' vert may be an exception of course.
spycam1
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I'm sure there's some truth to what you're saying, but I doubt he added 4 inches simply by getting used to the drill; some of it, at least, must be him actually increasing his vert.
Gyp Rosetti
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That's why I said Burks' vert may be the exception.
NAOS
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what logic are you using to determine what is an exception and what isn't? In my line of work, when there is an exception to the rule, you have to rethink the rule.
Karadrys30
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Vertical is really hard to improve and is a really good indicator of overall athletic ability. At least in an explosive sport like basketball. That picture was not a measure of vert. Looked like there was some transfer of momentum, which you can improve easily with training. I really hope he improved his vert. because that can seriously improve lateral motion and quickness in general. After reading it sounds like it is total jumping height and not vertical.
Stifle Tower
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1. Rule 1 is that the more you practice a specific task, the better you generally get at it. Why did Phelps struggle a bit in the Olympics? Because there were were certain fine elements that weren't as precise due to less training (like his turns).
2. Rule 2 is that working specific muscles to do specific tasks will not only strengthen the muscle(s), but will translate to "muscle memory." It's not surpising that training to specifically increase vertical jumping ability does just that.
3. And Rule 3 is that none of the gains necessarily translate into better performance on the basketball court.
Raw vertical jumping is different than having a ball in your hand and leaping whilst avoiding a player coming at you from the side or behind.
Moving your feet side to side over a dowel is different than moving laterally as Player X starts his drive or reacting to a crossover or pump fake.
framer
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NAOS
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This is all really basic.
I was asking Wes the criteria he was using to decide what P3 training would translate, and which were less useful.
Gyp Rosetti
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I would assume Burks has had his vert tested since about 8th or 9th grade. He's not necessarily done exercises to improve his vert per se but he's very familiar with what the drill entails and is probably comfortable doing it. For this reason, to see a four inch improvement in his vert is quite impressive. There was not some lack of familiarity there. For many of the other drills, this may not be the case. For instance, the improvement for Favors in the one drill (lateral quickness?) from last summer to this year could be attributed to improved physical conditioning, yes, but much of that gain could moreso be from becoming more comfortable with the movement/drill.
For Kanter I hope this gives him more confidence in his athletic ability.
Not to say that his Vert has not improved but as some one who helps train people for combine events vertical gains are usually technique improvement and not real improvement. Obviously over time places like this (and ours) help people improve vertical. If some one wants to improve his vert over a short period of time we just teach them technique. Little things like where to stand where to jump from and the biggest is learning to pack your shoulder by using your lat for your standing reach and then extending out when you jump. That alone will give you a 3" improvement in a 1 hour training session. We also teach them how to activate the muscles right before jumping to improve the numbers.
I am not saying that he has not improved his on court jumping, just that you can improve your vert and not improve your performance on court.
Also a lot of this stuff takes time to equate to your performance. You can get more reactive at one exercise but it might take months or even years until that transfers to your actual abilities while playing a sport.