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Kanter still sucks.

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Game 1: 8 points, 6 rebounds, +2
Game 2: 6 points, 2 rebounds, -11
Game 3: 10 points, 12 rebounds, -17
Game 4: 1 point, 2 rebounds, +6
Game 5: 1 point, 2 rebounds, 0

He's averaging 5.2 points and 4.8 rebounds per game. Stellar. -20 for the series while OKC is +22.

He sucks/
 
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Kanter just isn't quick enough to guard the Warriors' small ball lineup -- their bigs are more mobile than the Spurs bigs, and the Warriors have been killing OKC with 3's when Kanter has been playing.
 
Cunning Linguist said:
Game 1: 8 points, 6 rebounds, +2
Game 2: 6 points, 2 rebounds, -11
Game 3: 10 points, 12 rebounds, -17
Game 4: 1 point, 2 rebounds, +6
Game 5: 1 point, 2 rebounds, 0

He's averaging 5.2 points and 4.8 rebounds per game. Stellar. -20 for the series while OKC is +22.

He sucks/
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At least he is on a cheap salary.
 
Sorry to burst your bubble but if we play the GSW when they go small, we really can't play Gobert neither. He also can't chase around screen with Draymond or worse got switched onto Curry. Very few big men can, that's why small lineup 5s like Ibaka or Adams are so valuable.
 
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Gobert's numbers were pretty hideous against a lot of smaller lineups. Portland and Houston in particular.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Gobert's numbers were pretty hideous against a lot of smaller lineups. Portland and Houston in particular.
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Gobert's mobility obviously wasn't the same after the MCL sprain. He has the mobility to hang with any small-ball lineup. He just needs his health; and he wasn't going to get healthy without more time off than the season permitted.
 
*the so-called "ultra-small" lineups would be a problem for Gobert. But not many teams run those. And Gobert will develop offense to hurt those kinds of lineups.
 
NAOS said:
*the so-called "ultra-small" lineups would be a problem for Gobert. But not many teams run those. And Gobert will develop offense to hurt those kinds of lineups.
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The trend is every team will have a stretch PF soon. Some offenses could even go 5 out on a full time basis when they face the Jazz. Those would be particularly devastating for Gobert as he would be 20" away from the basket, and on the other end they just put some 6'7" guy on Gobert and he doesn't have an offense to even punish them. The scouting report was out on the Jazz last year, and well coached teams with the proper personnel dissected us. Getting more players that can switch on defense will help. Our PGs last year were too small to switch on a 6'7" player. Exum, on the other hand, could switch and throw a huge wrench in their plans. It's why I think the Jazz will target Baldwin in the draft.
 
couscous said:
Sorry to burst your bubble but if we play the GSW when they go small, we really can't play Gobert neither. He also can't chase around screen with Draymond or worse got switched onto Curry. Very few big men can, that's why small lineup 5s like Ibaka or Adams are so valuable.
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Adams + Ibaka better than Favors + Gobert? Bubble totes busted bro.
 
Boris said:
Adams + Ibaka better than Favors + Gobert? Bubble totes busted bro.
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strictly defensively against small lineup like GSW, who intentionally exploit bigs by switching guards on them?

Then YES, Adams and Ibaka are much better guarding them than Favors/Gobert. Over the course of 82 games against every other teams in the league, then you might have an argument that Favors/Gobert is better defensively.

I don't understand why we can't have an intelligent conversation about this, it's not a knock against Favors/Gobert, most bigs or even guards would have tough time chasing Curry/Klay/Draymond on the perimeter when they go small. It's not an all-or-nothing conversation, just because there are certain lineup our bigs can't effectively handle.
 
Jazz4ever said:
The trend is every team will have a stretch PF soon. Some offenses could even go 5 out on a full time basis when they face the Jazz. Those would be particularly devastating for Gobert as he would be 20" away from the basket, and on the other end they just put some 6'7" guy on Gobert and he doesn't have an offense to even punish them. The scouting report was out on the Jazz last year, and well coached teams with the proper personnel dissected us. Getting more players that can switch on defense will help. Our PGs last year were too small to switch on a 6'7" player. Exum, on the other hand, could switch and throw a huge wrench in their plans. It's why I think the Jazz will target Baldwin in the draft.
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ultra-small/5-out lineups are not going to be the norm. Probably ever. But the jazz will face them more than most teams until their bigs start punishing the matchup problems their opponents face by going that direction.

(But, just so we're clear, you're talking about ultra-small lineups right now. And the jazz aren't alone in figuring out how they can adapt to those strategies while playing to their strengths. The bottom line is that Gobert will be fine against any 4-out-1-in lineup; and he's shown plenty of perimeter mobility when he's been healthy [see Aldridge beat downs])
 
Jazz4ever said:
The trend is every team will have a stretch PF soon. Some offenses could even go 5 out on a full time basis when they face the Jazz. Those would be particularly devastating for Gobert as he would be 20" away from the basket, and on the other end they just put some 6'7" guy on Gobert and he doesn't have an offense to even punish them. The scouting report was out on the Jazz last year, and well coached teams with the proper personnel dissected us. Getting more players that can switch on defense will help. Our PGs last year were too small to switch on a 6'7" player. Exum, on the other hand, could switch and throw a huge wrench in their plans. It's why I think the Jazz will target Baldwin in the draft.
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I guess it's a good thing Gobert isn't a 4. And I seriously doubt most teams will have 5 outside.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
I guess it's a good thing Gobert isn't a 4. And I seriously doubt most teams will have 5 outside.
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Gobert also plays poorly against mobile like Davis or heavy 5's like Brook Lopez.
Heck, even freaking Mavs small ball with Dirk at 5 was painful to watch Gobert against.

It's a big ask from Gobert to become healthier, stronger and better on offense to stop being a liability in not so rare match ups.

After all if only DeRozan would be able to shoot from behind the line above 38% he would be a top 5 player in the league. Only one thing to improve. Must be easy.
 
zbone said:
Gobert also plays poorly against mobile like Davis or heavy 5's like Brook Lopez.
Heck, even freaking Mavs small ball with Dirk at 5 was painful to watch Gobert against.

It's a big ask from Gobert to become healthier, stronger and better on offense to stop being a liability in not so rare match ups.

After all if only DeRozan would be able to shoot from behind the line above 38% he would be a top 5 player in the league. Only one thing to improve. Must be easy.
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Still only a few teams that present this problem, plus in his second year when 100% healthy this wasn't an issue. Plus Gobert is the type to make adjustments.


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Cunning Linguist said:
Game 1: 8 points, 6 rebounds, +2
Game 2: 6 points, 2 rebounds, -11
Game 3: 10 points, 12 rebounds, -17
Game 4: 1 point, 2 rebounds, +6
Game 5: 1 point, 2 rebounds, 0

He's averaging 5.2 points and 4.8 rebounds per game. Stellar. -20 for the series while OKC is +22.

He sucks/
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I'd rather suck and be in the Western Conference Finals, than be an ok player and not even make the playoffs. He sucks, but the entire team is watching him suck from their living rooms.
 
Lakers_Slapper said:
I'd rather suck and be in the Western Conference Finals, than be an ok player and not even make the playoffs. He sucks, but the entire team is watching him suck from their living rooms.
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Lamest statement ever. You want to suck and ride someone else's coattails .... great point.
 
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