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Kanter the Scapegoat

Do You Think Kanter is Scapegoated?


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Kanter fanaticism is getting to the levels of Arroyo.

I have seen more posters criticize kanter this year than any jazz player not named lucas or jefferson
 
And when he did it again?

And then again?

And the third time when Corbin got really pissed?

You only have 3 non forced timeouts in NBA ball.

Toronto scored 94 points and won by 15. Burke and Hayward were a combined 7-25. Maybe, just maybe, defense wasn't the reason we lost.
 
I couldn't agree more with this, ever since the year started Corbin has had some problem with kanter. They had a ton of injuries to start, had a starting pg that has no business in the league, and didn't have another pg on the roster. There were guys starting for the first time in their careers. Burkes was playing grossly out of position. And with all of that going on the only focus is how kanter and favors can't play together, and to take it further how kanter must have been the common denominator in the equation for why it doesn't work. I know there are things for him to improve on but name one guy on the team that doesn't, that's why he needs to be out there playing. It is outrageous that every time something happens Corbin throws his hands in the air and pulls kanter out of the game quicker than anyone else.

Then, all the pointless stats about when kanter starts they have few wins vs when favors starts. Well, first of all when favors starts he has kanter coming of the bench and if they win, it's usually because everyone is making shots and kanter plays well of the bench for more then ten minutes. When kanter has started this last stretch his back up has been gobert, a project player. A combo of favors/kanter is tremendously better then a kanter/gobert or even a favors/gobert combo. It's not even close, so to put it all on kanter is foolish. Everyone knows kanter isn't as skilled on the defensive end that favors is, but favors is likewise lacking on the offensive end. Corbin keeps running favors on the block when kanter is in with him even though he is inferior to kanter. That's poor coaching. If kanter misses a rotation of defense he gets pulled, if favors bricks some awkward left hook shoot he stays in the game and they run another play for him to do the same thing. What's the difference in having kanter score on one end and then having the other teams guard blow by our guards and score on kanter who is guarding his guy, vs having gobert airball a shot from three feet away then the other team grabs it and scores on a fast break. The difference in Corbin's mind is kanter needs to play defense for everyone even though he did score on the other end but he didn't stop the basket on defense, and it's ok for gobert to miss that badly and the other team score because gobert might alter some shots.

I thought the goal of this year was to develop our young pieces for the future and if we win great, if we lose its due to youth and maturity. So why are we starting RJ and Marvin? Rj came out and said to the whole world he wants to move on there is nothing in utah for him. Well don't let the door hit you on the *** on your way out rj. With Marvin they found a stretch four, that's all nice and we won some games in the long run it's going to hurt more then help. Marvin has had some real nice games and I like him as well but he isn't your power forward of the future he really isn't a power forward at all he can barely walk. The jazz have gotten away with using Marvin like this because it is a totally different look and the league who knows every single play the jazz ever ran and when was caught of guard. When the jazz play good teams who play a legit pf and center Marvin gets killed, he is over matched guarding the post and rebounding. Marvin only works when he is hitting multiple threes a game but against high level teams(like the caliber that the jazz are hoping to get to) it really doesn't matter because the opposing pf eats him alive everywhere else. Plus, Marvin has a lingering injury, can barely walk, he isn't dirk, or even Ryan Anderson, which I guess is what Corbin pictures. Dirk is a hall of famer, and the funny thing is Ryan Anderson comes of the bench in NO because the stretch four is used for a different look not the whole system. Houston uses it with parsons but they have Howard and harden, but even then there were rumors of them going after millsap and I doubt that was to bring him of the bench. Look around the league mostly everyone goes with two bigs. The jazz have two very young very skilled and very different bigs. USE THEM!! So they might struggle at times together, well coaches need to design an offense to complement them not hinder them. Everyone says there is no spacing when they are in together. Well get one the ball in the post then get everyone else out of the key, the jazz always pack in the paint they need to move guys out if the other team doesn't cover then it's defensive three seconds, or get them passing more in practice so in a couple years when real playoff aspirations happen they will be more ready then they are now. Look at Memphis, gasol and z bo are two of the slowest big men in the league but they have been in the league for years and years gathering experience, and Memphis makes them work because it gives them a huge advantage.

Corbin and his staff has done some real head scratching things this year.
-continuing to play Lucas is asinine he doesn't belong in the league
-not starting the young five just to let them grow together, those other guys are probably gone
-not devising an offense to suit the young guys
-not giving gobert at least ten minutes a night
-not giving kanter some three attempts (word out of practice is he hits them with regularity, look what memo could do)
-limiting Hayward when he shoots twenty times and makes three, he is quick to pull kanter and burks but never Hayward
-if B Rush is a possibility for the future of your team, then while he's out there get him some shots through plays you run for him
-his substitutions are not great teams like the pacers keep at least three to four of their starters on the floor at all times not a total flip flops of bench vs starters
-if burkes is an elite offensive player and Hayward is not then get burkes the ball and allow him to develop a drive and kick game
- kanter is better offensively then favors so quit giving the ball to favors on the block give it to kanter
-favors is highly athletic and can jump out of the gym, run pick and roll for him to dive at the rim and lob it to him like Dwight Howard
- what happened to the big lineup, you have a chance to run favors, kanter, (Marvin/Evans) if defense is the measuring stick this year try it.
- if you have certain players then for hell sake make your offensive and defensive schemes work for them not them work for you
-and please no more John Lucas, he is horrible and I don't know how as a coach you let him screw up at everything and let him sit there and yell at the other players when something happens like he does no wrong, it's sickening

This post got long I apologize but damn, this is a sample of what I see and judging by twitter and sites like this one I am not the only one.



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Broncos benched thier starting running back for having off games.

Eagles benched michael vick for having off games.

Kanter was a starter and was benched as well you silly goose

Last year hayward started and then was benched

TBH, I don't care about this example or that which doesn't apply to Kanter. The guy struggles bad and needs more development time on the bench a la Burks last year and Hayward in the past.

BTW, Trey is a rookie and a baller. I have no idea how you are seriously advocating benching him b/c Kanter gets sat and should be held to the same standard.
 
And I reneged that line of reasoning doe. Why do you think Kanter deserves extra latitude in comparison to Burke/Hayward/Burks/Favors/whoever?

He deserves the same. He hasn't, and never has been treated the same. Can you honestly say that Burke and Hayward aren't playing atrociously right now? They are in horrible slumps, and yet they are still playing, and starting.
 
Corbin has something personal against Kanter. It is shameful the way he is being treated.

It is better he changes team for the good of his career.

Corbin just knows what I have known since he was drafted. He is a bench player at best in the nba. He is all hype and have never lived up to that hype. Never has improved his game
 
He deserves the same. He hasn't, and never has been treated the same. Can you honestly say that Burke and Hayward aren't playing atrociously right now? They are in horrible slumps, and yet they are still playing, and starting.

Dunno. What's the politically correct answer? I don't want to think for myself so I'll go with that one.
 
Toronto scored 94 points and won by 15. Burke and Hayward were a combined 7-25. Maybe, just maybe, defense wasn't the reason we lost.

Total points means nothing. The pace of the game was incredibly slow. 94 is a LOT of points at an 80 possession pace. Toronto's offensive rating for the game was 117.9, which is 8 points worse than the worst defensive team's average, which happens to be the Jazz.

Burke plays because a D-Leaguer and Lucas play behind him. Kanter gets fewer minutes because Williams and Evans have played better over the course of the season. There isn't a metric where Kanter is superior over Favors.

Kanter is on pace to have the sixth most minutes on the team, behind the other core 5 and Jefferson. I'd say given where Kanter is in his development, that's the proper amount of minutes as the second most used big. Corbin isn't the issue in this case. Given the talent level on the team compared to its age, Corbin comes across as an average to slightly below average NBA coach, better than many and not as good as many.
 
I was at the Toronto game and it was a bad game all around. We played really bad defense. Kanter got worked in the beginning by Valunchunas(however you spell his name). Everytime Val touched the ball he scored on Kanter. He was yanked because of that. Gobert played better defense, but sucked offensively. That being said the rest of the team played bad defense too. All of Toronto's points seemed to be easy baskets, and we weren't passing the ball well when we had it.

Overall it was a bad team game. Kanter should get blamed equally for this loss, the only positives were Burks' fantastic game off the bench
 
And I reneged that line of reasoning doe. Why do you think Kanter deserves extra latitude in comparison to Burke/Hayward/Burks/Favors/whoever?
extra latitude is not what EK needs.
He needs an honest evaluation and for that he has to play more!
He is not worse than Hayward TBH!
Give him the due credit Franklin.
He will most prolly be gone so all this talk is moot!
Jazz cannot afford him, after Hayward's contract, methinks.
 
Franklin and Vermin are both prejudiced against Kanter. If you don't have the courage to admit that both Hayward and Burke sucks hard lately, then you are not impartials.

Why nobody talking about Burke and Burks defensive shortcomings? Because they contribute on offense? The same is doing Kanter but he is harshly criticized.

Kanter doesn't play active defense every night but it does not seem to me that other players of team do it with consistency. They won't play the playoffs, so what is their motivation to play defense every game? To save Corbin? Contract year?

Corbin will be evaluated at the end of the year taking into account the team's defense. So Kanter is clearly the scapegoat because Corbin thinks only to save his a**.

Anyway Corbin is free to take his decisions but he should not legitimate his power only with one player and a real coach should be fair will all players.

I believe that the young players are fed up with Corbin too, it would be licit if they want another coach next year.

Most likely Kanter will decide to not continue with Jazz and not the contrary.

If he will succeed with another team then I would like to hear your opinions. (Franklin & Co.)
 
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I'm still waiting for him to get tougher. I hope he doesn't chicken-out of contact plays as his career rolls on and end up like Memo who became a 3 point shooter in Utah. You gotta use that body kiddo.
 
Franklin and Vermin are both prejudiced against Kanter. If you don't have the courage to admit that both Hayward and Burke sucks hard lately, then you are not impartials.

Why nobody talking about Burke and Burks defensive shortcomings? Because they contribute on offense? The same is doing Kanter but he is harshly criticized.

Kanter doesn't play active defense every night but it does not seem to me that other players of team do it with consistency. They won't play the playoffs, so what is their motivation to play defense every game? To save Corbin? Contract year?

Corbin will be evaluated at the end of the year taking into account the team's defense. So Kanter is clearly the scapegoat because Corbin thinks only to save his a**.

Anyway Corbin is free to take his decisions but he should not legitimate his power only with one player and a real coach should be fair will all players.

I believe that the young players are fed up with Corbin too, it would be licit if they want another coach next year.

Most likely Kanter will decide to not continue with Jazz and not the contrary.

If he will succeed with another team then I would like to hear your opinions. (Franklin & Co.)

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