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Would have been cool to see Lamb come over only because it would have involved the rare swap of 2 humans and 0 brains.
 
GVC said:
1. Not sure I understand. My point is that moving Kanter doesn't create any cap space for the Jazz, since the Jazz could always have just let Kanter walk or sign elsewhere (which includes rescinding the QO before Kanter accepts it).

2. That 2nd rounder (plus a mostly useless Novak) cost the Jazz nearly $4mm in 2015/16 cap space and Diante. That's a hefty price for a 2nd round pick. It was a bad trade.

All I'm trying to point out is that the Jazz only gain cap space by dumping Novak, and that Novak should never have been acquired in the first place. As such, I see no reason to be excited about this extra space. The Jazz now get to choose between trying to get an NBA player in free agency OR bringing over Tomic/Pleiss. A 2018 late-1st and a couple 2nds are pretty meh.

Without considering what DL might have been able to get for Kanter had he been a little more proactive (this is his first in-season trade IIRC), this trade grades out at a C AT BEST for the Jazz. However, I can;t help but think that DL could have got at least a little bit more had he acted a bit sooner.
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Well, it was used cap space already for the Jazz. This past offseason didn't have marquee free agents to get, so the Jazz used cap space that was already allotted to Novak to get an asset, as the Jazz were below the floor. Garrett was a replacement player, so there was no value there, thus no bearing on the quality of the deal.

Jazz get the cap space at the beginning of the FA period rather than after the mythical renouncing. This is an important distinction especially if the Jazz ink an offer sheet to an RFA. Jazz would have to renounce Kanter to sign that deal, and if there's a match, then Jazz are out two players. Jazz got some assets out of this trade. A future first is a better trade chip, especially since it's after Durant's contract ends, than a sign and traded Kanter, and gives Jazz more flexibility.

The assets aren't that great in my opinion, but the historical price for trading into the top 5 should the Jazz not occupy a pick there is 3 first rounders, and the Jazz now have that affordability without being left without a pick in a year.

I doubt the Jazz will have to make a decision on having EITHER the Euro players OR an NBA free agent next year. Looks like the Jazz will go into the summer with around 45 M in salaries with 4 M in cap holds rather than 48 M with 16 M in cap holds, a 15 M difference. Caps going to be, what, 70 M next year? Plenty of space now rather than having to make a decision on Kanter first.
 
I'm actually intrigued by this Tibor Pleiss, been checking him out, looks like he's got some moves in the low post.
 
I'm pretty excited. We traded Deron in part for Kanter. Then we let Millsap go to make room for Kanter. Now we traded Kanter so we could free up cap space to sign Millsap. Hopfully we could then eye a mid-season deal to send Millsap to OKC for Enes.
 
Jamezz said:
I'm actually intrigued by this Tibor Pleiss, been checking him out, looks like he's got some moves in the low post.
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Grant Jerrett could be a part of our future. Looks like the ideal stretch 4 to play alongside Favors or Gobert. From clips it looks like the dude can shoot.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Well, it was used cap space already for the Jazz. This past offseason didn't have marquee free agents to get, so the Jazz used cap space that was already allotted to Novak to get an asset, as the Jazz were below the floor. Garrett was a replacement player, so there was no value there, thus no bearing on the quality of the deal.

Jazz get the cap space at the beginning of the FA period rather than after the mythical renouncing. This is an important distinction especially if the Jazz ink an offer sheet to an RFA. Jazz would have to renounce Kanter to sign that deal, and if there's a match, then Jazz are out two players. Jazz got some assets out of this trade. A future first is a better trade chip, especially since it's after Durant's contract ends, than a sign and traded Kanter, and gives Jazz more flexibility.

The assets aren't that great in my opinion, but the historical price for trading into the top 5 should the Jazz not occupy a pick there is 3 first rounders, and the Jazz now have that affordability without being left without a pick in a year.

I doubt the Jazz will have to make a decision on having EITHER the Euro players OR an NBA free agent next year. Looks like the Jazz will go into the summer with around 45 M in salaries with 4 M in cap holds rather than 48 M with 16 M in cap holds, a 15 M difference. Caps going to be, what, 70 M next year? Plenty of space now rather than having to make a decision on Kanter first.
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Plus we have extra liquid assets come draft time. Kanter could not have been traded during the draft... these picks or prospects can. These small assets might push us over the top.

Lets say the Lakers are sitting there at 3 and we are at 7... you'd have to at least think about trading the 3 for the 7 plus two other first round picks. Sixers took on two years and 20 M of Javale McGee for mid/late first rounder. These picks have value.
 
Losing both Millsap and Kanter in less than 2 seasons it is hard to digest.

I just really hope that Gobert is not a "soap bubble".
 
Good deal for OKC

They get:
Kanter/Augustine/Singler and get rid of Perkins contract

For

Reggie Jackson and a late 1st round pick that probably won't amount to much

We helped Golden State get where they are today, might as well help the Thunder too.
 
GVC said:
That jump won't occur until 2016, so the Jazz have an opportunity to add pieces this summer with the extra space from dumping Novak (not all that significant). If DL strikes out again this summer, he'll have done a pretty **** job overall through his first 3 seasons. Dude took over a playoff team with a couple fringe all-stars and 4 decent, high upside lottery picks. He's now effectively turned 3 of those pieces into a 2018 mid- to late-1st round pick, acquired no impact players through non-draft trades or free agency, and has a mixed/incomplete record in the draft (I'm not as high on Exum OR Gobert as most on the board). What am I missing?
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That he spent $12 million per year on a guy who could have been replaced for $6mm, with two years of team options.


Those saying he struck out on Burke are blowing low though.
 
The last few years for the Jazz have been an interesting study in player value. When you're not winning there's only so much value that can go around. Paul and Al had very little value because they were expiring, we had younger players hiding behind them, and we were losing. Now (or in Al's case last year) people love them.

I think the front office has learned the hard lesson of what happens when you don't commit to your potentially valuable players. This move had to happen whether Kanter went to the press or not. Gobert needs to start if the league is going to start seeing him as a star.

We still have four players with real value on this team. Enes gone can only help them increase their value with more usage. Four's a lot for a losing team. Beyond that we have cap space and all our picks as well as a couple from other teams.

Now if only we could start winning...
 
Bad trade, IMO. We got nothing useful. Who cares about a 2nd rounder? And the OKC pick is highly-protected. The ONLY way this is a good deal is if someone wants that first in exchange for us moving up, which is doubtful. I guess a small victory was dumping Novak's corpse. That was a stupid move originally by DL. You commit to a $4M 2yr deal when you KNOW you'll be up against the cap next season? For only a 2nd-rounder? Stupid.

Once I learned what & where the picks where, my opinion really changed. But Utah did have to get rid of Enes. If it were me, I would have parked his sorry *** on the bench the rest of the season and taught him and Ergul a lesson. This was a dump, pure and simple. And I think Kanter blowing a kiss to the media last night sent the jazz into a panic. He was going to be a cancer the rest of the season and the Jazz got no value out of him.
 
At least we aren't phoenix... they have no damned direction.
 
AlaskanAssassin said:
Grant Jerrett could be a part of our future. Looks like the ideal stretch 4 to play alongside Favors or Gobert. From clips it looks like the dude can shoot.
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Yep. That's why he's 1-13 for the season in 5 games. He makes Trey Burke look like Kyle Korver.

I guess on a positive note, Detroit should now finish with more victories than Utah. More ping pong balls (well, number combinations, but that sounds less exciting)!
 
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