Kanter traded to OKC

[JoelHodgeJr]

We traded on of the best players involved for the worst? Were is the upside in that?

 

[The Midnight]

I'm beginning to lose faith in DL....too many words and few facts. He sounds like a bluffer.

Like Catch said, I think this sets us up perfectly for a tank.



I've still got faith in Lindsey, but if we don't get a top #6 pick this year I might lose it as well.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I'm beginning to lose faith in DL....too many words and few facts. He sounds like a bluffer.

lose faith in a dude who got the best player with a purchased 27th pick of an NBA draft.


****ing Jazzfanz.

 

[vegas]

Man. Rough that this is all we could get for Kanter, though I'm not surprised that this was the best offer for an expiring contract.

DL interview tidbits:
Lol @ DL calling this a significant haul (later qualifies: for someone on the last year of his contract). Says he likes some FA this summer. Favors development has been faster than he expected, Rudy has had exponential growth.

May be, maybe time to add vets this summer. Basically says Tibor and Jerrett are projects.

14-19 million in cap room this summer.

QS had significant input.
/DL comments

At the end of the day, Kanter was one of my favorites and I had a lot of faith in him before he was injured. Since the injuries, I just haven't seen the same fire. I wish him the best and hope this doesn't come back to haunt us.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

DL is really good... I'm glad he is our guy. Some would have sat on Kanter and prolonged this garbage thinking we could "restore" some value. Kanter wasn't a great pick... it happens. The guy who was picked before him was traded for nothing. We got out from under a semi-bad deal and got some assets. those who thought we were getting Middleton were as delusional as Max Ergul.

 

[Laramie]

Didn't realize that OKC gave up the rights to Tibor Pleiss?

You scored a gem if you can bring him over this year.

 

[JoelHodgeJr]

DL is really good... I'm glad he is our guy. Some would have sat on Kanter and prolonged this garbage thinking we could "restore" some value. Kanter wasn't a great pick... it happens. The guy who was picked before him was traded for nothing. We got out from under a semi-bad deal and got some assets. those who thought we were getting Middleton were as delusional as Max Ergul.

So all the experts who are saying that this trade made the Thunder much better are twlking out their a$$'s? If we held Kanter untill the end of the season and signed and traded we could have gotten so much more. If not then we let him walk and get the same mouthfull of nothing were chewing on now. Its like we folded on a bluff and the opposition had a 2,3 off suit.

 

[Jazz4ever]

This is a terrible trade for us. We recieved no player since were going to cut Perk. Also we made the team who's pick were recieving much better, and they are all ready of of the best teams in the league. So for a 22yr old 15,8 player who was drafted #3 we get a 25-30 pick in two years?

Heres the judging factor; are we better or worse after this trade? We are worse. All the experts are saying OKC made out the best BECAUSE of Kanter! How would it be any different if we held Kanter for a sign and trade at the end of the year?

This is the worst trade I have witnessed for our team I have seen in my 12yrs as a Jazz fan. I HATE THIS TRADE!

S&T for restricted free agents don't happen. They simply outbid you instead of giving up an asset.
And just because Kanter was the best player involved doesn't mean we lost the trade, it just means we have better players than him and will be having no playing time for him

 

[Flc]

Didn't realize that OKC gave up the rights to Tibor Pleiss?

You scored a gem if you can bring him over this year.

Welcome to JazzFanz, Laramie. Can you tell us more about Tibor?

Also, congrats on nabbing Kanter. You'll either love him or hate him, but we should all look forward to the day Ibaka slaps him for not passing or playing defense.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

So all the experts who are saying that this trade made the Thunder much better are twlking out their a$$'s? If we held Kanter untill the end of the season and signed and traded we could have gotten so much more. If not then we let him walk and get the same mouthfull of nothing were chewing on now. Its like we folded on a bluff and the opposition had a 2,3 off suit.

Who are all these "experts"? National guys do talk out of their *** when it comes to the Jazz. All they see is his numbers and think he is good. I've seen several guys saying that they don't understand this trade from OKC's perspective. We will see, but we didn't get nothing we got some valuable draft assets and cleared salary space... we wouldn't get that if we let him walk. It doesn't move the needle right now, but remember we got Gobert with the freakin 27th pick... it happens. We got G-time with a pick we owned from the Knicks for like a hundred years. You pick up assets and move on.

 

[freakazoid]

The Jazz picked up $3.75mil of cap space by dumping Novak, who never should have been acquired. Effectively, the Jazz traded the option to hold onto Kanter this offseason if nothing better comes around for a late 1st, two 2nds (including the one they received for Novak) and Pleiss. If DL doesn't turn the cap space into something this summer, he should be fired.

Ok, so DL acquired two 2nds for 1/2 year of Novak. Not sure what your complaint is. Because he overpaid? meh.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Ok, so DL acquired 2 2nds by acquiring Novak for 1/2 year. Not sure what your complaint is.

And we got out from under the deal before it hurt us. I hated the Novak trade at the time, but DL has erased that mistake.

 

[Flc]

So all the experts who are saying that this trade made the Thunder much better are twlking out their a$$'s? If we held Kanter untill the end of the season and signed and traded we could have gotten so much more. If not then we let him walk and get the same mouthfull of nothing were chewing on now. Its like we folded on a bluff and the opposition had a 2,3 off suit.

The trade made the Thunder better.

But if you're faced with a 22 year old player that doesn't pass or play defense, has a sub-20 PER, is demanding near-max money, and has informed you that he'll likely take the qualifying offer tender to A) eat your 2015 cap space, the last time your franchise has an opportunity to max a free agent before the cap balloons in 2016, and B) to then leave as an UFA the year after, and C) is impeding the progress of your top-15 league-wide PER power forward and your potential-to-be-a-superstar/franchise center and D) this is your last option to get ANY return on him...

You make the trade for whatever you can get.

If you're looking at this like: "What's better, Kanter or a D-Leaguer and a Euro?" you're thinking about it wrong.
If you're looking at this like: "What's better, a #3 draft pick or a #20 draft pick?" you're thinking about it wrong.

It isn't black and white, and the trade doesn't make sense unless you take in all the nuance.

 

[fishonjazz]

And picked up two black guys who may or may not have previously been on the Wire.

Lololololol

 

[Nate505]

How did anyone expect DL to get a great deal on Kanter, when Kanter himself poisoned the well by claiming he wanted out?

 

[fishonjazz]

Had we not done the deal, everyone who is currently complaining about what we got back would be pissed at the end of the season when we didn't match Kanter and got "nothing back."

True.
I'm still pissed though
I want my cake and eat it too

 

[Spinoza]

He's going to miss Utah...

He's so close to just straight up having a handful of *** there.

 

[Spinoza]

True.
I'm still pissed though
I want my cake and eat it too

Yea, I mean the reality was that Utah was going to take the best offer they received, and the OKC one was it. Now I get why that info about Utah's high threshold for Kanter was "leaked". It's clear now that Utah wasn't getting any decent offers and pulled that little stunt to try up his market value. I guess Woj isn't some demigod after all and is fully capable of relaying false or misleading information.

 

[Ellipse]

The Jazz are a worse team today than they were last week. We will be damn lucky if that protected pick we get two or three years down the road ends up being Kanter's equal 6 years from now. The only thing that will make this trade pallatible is if DL signs a great free agent next summer with <sarcasm>all of that freed-up money</sarcasm>.

 

[Jamezz]

I'm just glad the cure for Kancer came out of Utah, movin' on hehehe