Kanter traded to OKC

[Jamezz]

Hah, no, not really, but I would like to maybe be honest about how the trade wasn't great, but that maybe it was the only option out there.

And just because it was an awful trade doesn't mean it was a bad decision. Calling it an awful trade isn't necessarily being negative, it's just reacting to an obvious fact. I think Kanter's value plummeted after publicly demanding a trade and his agent's comments. Obviously if they could have gotten a better deal they would have done it. The only choice was get something back or let him go in free agency.

I'll buy that it wasn't the best trade possible, looks like we agree on seeing it as the only way out though. I didn't see any positive outcome for keeping him tbh.

 

[Stifle Tower]

The Jazz are a worse team today than they were last week. We will be damn lucky if that protected pick we get two or three years down the road ends up being Kanter's equal 6 years from now. The only thing that will make this trade pallatible is if DL signs a great free agent next summer with <sarcasm>all of that freed-up money</sarcasm>.

Sure we are. There's no getting around that. But Kanter was GONE. When a guy doesn't want to be on the team, do you continue to give him 25-30 mins at the expense of others? Do you want him playing next year on a qualifying offer when his ONLY goal is to put up points so he can sign somewhere else for more money? Jazz would waste 1 1/2 seasons and the only person who would benefit is Kanter. That's the exact reason I was so pissed off at Corbin giving so much playing time to Richard Jefferson.

It hurts to know a #3 pick was wasted. But the only way we could have gotten great value for him is if he signed a decent contract this summer (e.g. 4/$48M), we matched and then found a trade partner. That just wasn't going to happen. Ergul made it clear he believes Kanter is a max player.

 

[Siro]

I swear, none of you watch euro-ball.


Ricky Rubio, in his last year at Barça before being traded: 6.5 PPG, 3.5 APG. 31% from field, 22% from three (in 20 games, 17 of which he started in the Euroleague).

Mario Hezonja, potential top 5 draft pick this year, in the Euroleague this year: 5.5 PPG, 2 RPG, 1.4 APG. In the ACB, he's averaging 9PPG but the same numbers otherwise.

I'm curious as to why that is.

 

[Siro]

This trade hinges on what we can get from Tibor Pleiß. If he ends up being a solid big for us, then 100% yes. 7'2" Germans with shooting touch go pretty high in drafts generally, unless they have buyout concerns. Tibor had buyout concerns in 2010-- that's why he went with the 1st pick of the 2nd round, from what I can tell.

Bitch please.

 

[TheStormofWar]

That may very well have been what DL was thinking.

That's pretty much my thought. It was either let Kanter walk for nothing, pay him to sit well away from the team, or just be done with it. A player has no value if they don't play and the FO had to be concerned with a possible locker room cancer. I don't know if it was the best deal, but better something than nothing. Kanter can suck a garden hose.

 

[freakazoid]

If you recall, Boozer WAS shopped. The Jazz allowed him to violate the tampering rules by going on a summer tour of various trade destinations. And what offers did Utah receive for him? Zero. The only one that was rumored would have brought us back a bad contract. Teams were just willing to wait on Carlos rather than trade decent assets to get him. Kanter is no Carlos. Except for the fact he's stayed healthy, Enes is not the player Carlos was. Boozer was in his prime, putting up big numbers and still the market was non-existent.

I think you are assuming that because you didn't hear about it, there must not have been any offers. People have made all kinds of claims about the value of players like Boozer and Al on this site. Both guys went on to sign big deals when they left, so that probably says more about their value than which rumors we did or didn't hear.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I'm curious as to why that is.

The euro-game is just a different game entirely. Shorter games, WAY more emphasis on team-basketball, plays, cuts, etc. Scoring, and possessions tend to be very balanced across the board.

 

[Jamezz]

It's possible we will miss Kanter's offense, but more minutes for Rudy = winning more. Even missing Enes, I just don't see how Utah doesn't win more with more Rudy.

Of course freakster, of course. It's all about losing isn't it? Why don't we start the rebuild from scratch? Hey but let's do it the right way this time, let's bring in all D-Leaguers, guaranteed 1st picks for 5 years at least. WIN

 

[JazzForLifee]

I hope mitch mcgary outplays kanter lolol

 

[Qman]

I think you are assuming that because you didn't hear about it, there must not have been any offers. People have made all kinds of claims about the value of players like Boozer and Al on this site. Both guys went on to sign big deals when they left, so that probably says more about their value than which rumors we did or didn't hear.

I think this is exactly the point. The Jazz thought he was worth let's say 8 mil a year. They knew on the open market he would get 12 mil a year because other teams didn't know our player as well as we do. So instead of letting Kanter play out his contract (like Boozer and Jefferson) DL got some value for him. Just because someone else is willing to give a guy a contract doesn't mean he is worth the same number to us.

 

[Flc]

Hah, no, not really, but I would like to maybe be honest about how the trade wasn't great, but that maybe it was the only option out there.

And just because it was an awful trade doesn't mean it was a bad decision. Calling it an awful trade isn't necessarily being negative, it's just reacting to an obvious fact. I think Kanter's value plummeted after publicly demanding a trade and his agent's comments. Obviously if they could have gotten a better deal they would have done it. The only choice was get something back or let him go in free agency.

If the difference, in your mind, between a "trade" and a "decision" is that a "trade" is a decision without the meaningful context that COMPLETELY CHANGES how we would view a trade, then why are we talking about the trade at all?

Some posters on this forum, I swear.

 

[freakazoid]

Oh man, sounds like the same BS spin we would always get from KOC. O'Connor wasn't flown it to help make any deals, it was to prep Lindsey on how to make an awful move sound not-so-bad.

Cool yer jets, Leroy. Utah's GM just basically told the fans that the tank ends this year. Good news for the fans who feel abused because the team wasn't completely rebuilt in one year.

 

[Qman]

To me positives from this-

Favors knows he is the 2nd option on offense for the rest of this season. He can develop some more confidence in his moves. It give Rudy time and space to fail, so he can find his weaknesses. I trust Rudy to work on correcting those. If Hood can stay healthy we are going to need him to do some scoring.

And of course we got some assets.

 

[TheStormofWar]

To me positives from this-

Favors knows he is the 2nd option on offense for the rest of this season. He can develop some more confidence in his moves. It give Rudy time and space to fail, so he can find his weaknesses. I trust Rudy to work on correcting those. If Hood can stay healthy we are going to need him to do some scoring.

And of course we got some assets.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The euro-game is just a different game entirely. Shorter games, WAY more emphasis on team-basketball, plays, cuts, etc. Scoring, and possessions tend to be very balanced across the board.

They are also much stingier on giving out assists. There isn't the ISO ball like you indicated. His numbers are really good for euro ball. He might be a really good backup.

We see numbers and think Kanter is good. I can't wait to see him on a contender... We'll see if he can contribute to actually winning.

 

[mellow]

I'm watching OKC v Dallas on tv. Fun to think how Enes will fit in.

Brooks: Enes., run down there and then watch Durant and Russell. Don't stand in the paint for more than 3 seconds.

Enes: you want me to run or stand, I'm confused.
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Brooks: on defense just try to not trip or fall on Durant or Russell.

Enes: It's okay, I usually don't cross half court before other team scores.

Also, funny to think he was complaining about playing time with Favors and Gobert, now he plays with Ibaka, Adams, McGary and Jones. OKC has enough bigs to employ a defensive strategy of fouling hard in the paint.

 

[Jazz Traveler]

Is there a link explaining the protection on the first round pick?

 

[Doublea]

It's kind of funny to see media react to Kanter in OKC. I've seen unstoppable offensive juggernaut. Sweet Jumper. Improves their front court defensive presence.

 

[2020]

The problem is that when the cap space goes up in another year, it goes up for everyone, so Jazz don't gain any advantage. Which means it is at a disadvantage, because now it has to compete with every other team, including the New York's LA's, Miami's etc. of the world for the same pool of talent. We aren't getting any big time FAs out of this.

My faith in DL has just dropped precipitously. He (they) must have concluded that Kanter just wasn't going to improve enough to be in their long-term plans, and so better get something (anything) for him now rather than nothing in RFA. I'm tired of banking my hopes on future draft picks. What are the odds that we get someone at, say, 15 that is better than Kanter? I can't help but feel that DL allowed the Jazz to get fleeced.

Before I'm a smart ***, let me just say I agree for the most part. We did get someone at 27 who is better then Kanter, just saying.


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[colton]

1. The Jazz could renounce Kanter or not offer him the QO, and keep most of that cap space.

2. As such, the Jazz only gained cap space by dumping Novak, who they shouldn't have acquired in the first place.

It's easy to say that about Novak in hindsight, but based on where the Jazz were today are you seriously saying their best move would have been to do nothing except letting Kanter go for nothing in the off season?