Kanter traded to OKC

[Handlogten's Heros]

Totally off topic, but Thomas Robinson (former #5 overall) was bought out tonight. The jazz lack bigs.

Pass... He's a rotation player. I'd rather see what the new guy does.

 

[stitches]

Another situation to monitor would be GS... They have a cap crunch for a year. We could end up taking Lee or AI off their hands... I don't love it but we'd prolly get some assets for doing so.

Without the trade we'd be much more limited.

This will be horrible. We need to make moves towards improving this coming summer. We are done with renting our cap space(at least hope so). This is collaborated with the fact that we got rid off Novak today. We are clearing up everything that we are not using up to full potential. I think we need to make a push next season to becoming 50-50 team, maybe even be in the mix for the playoffs for a while. I think we will use the cap-space in signing good role players(possibly a wing-starter, if such is available) in order to improve the bench and be competitive. Hayward has an option in 2017 and we need to be a playoff team by that time.

We already have a ton of assets. We have 6 first round picks and 11 second round picks in the next 4 years. That's plenty of assets. We cannot use all of those for drafting players. Some of those will be used either in the draft or in acquiring important pieces for the bench /role players...

 

[b_line]

1. The floor is irrelevant.

2. Novak is still on the books next season.

There was no need to get to the floor, and no need for Novak. Why let him eat up nearly $4mm in 2015 cap space for a 2nd? It was a bad trade (FWIW, I thought so at the time).

Valid point on RFAs and offer sheets. Still, if the Jazz don't get an offer sheet signed, they could always keep Kanter. Also, since this Kanter mess has reportedly been brewing for a while, it makes sense to wonder what the Jazz could have acquired for Kanter earlier in the season or this past offseason. DL has a pretty consistent record of waiting to do anything until his hand is forced. Not a great sign.

Also, your numbers seem a bit off. I did a quick breakdown of the Jazz cap situation earlier in the thread.

You know a lot about how to quote stats and stuff, and the salary cap and all that, but I really question your player judgment. In my mind, if gvc says don't go get s player, the jazz should get him. You thought Babbitt would be better than Hayward, and now you say you aren't high on exum or Gobert. I get that you don't think exum is great, I mean, what has he shown? But how can you not like Gobert? He is literally the top rim protector in the league right now. He is athletic, and has unmatchable size. Not only does he have those very rare gifts, but unlike kanter, he has a brain.

If you think that DL has bungled this situation, explain what you would have done? Would you have traded kanter earlier? Because then it would appear that you are giving up on an asset too soon. Would you rather have never taken a couple second round picks for a rental of Novak that had a slim chance if working out?

You seem very sure of yourself in this, but don't really supply any other answers than you think Lindsay is a lazy gm.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

This will be horrible. We need to make moves towards improving this coming summer. We are done with renting our cap space(at least hope so). This is collaborated with the fact that we got rid off Novak today. We are clearing up everything that we are not using up to full potential. I think we need to make a push next season to becoming 50-50 team, maybe even be in the mix for the playoffs for a while. I think we will use the cap-space in signing good role players(possibly a wing-starter, if such is available) in order to improve the bench and be competitive. Hayward has an option in 2017 and we need to be a playoff team by that time.

I wouldn't mind AI if we got something as well... This would be a fall back plan. When I suggested lee I felt like I should punch myself in the nuts... I did and I deserved it. I hate lee.

 

[zyzz]

Andy Larsen
‏@andyblarsen
Jazz head coach Quin Snyder working one-on-one with new Jazz starting center Rudy Gobert

Jody Genessy @DJJazzyJody
The Jazz will "more than likely" start Rudy Gobert now, Quin Snyder said after laughing at my question.

 

[Flc]

Not picking on you - I have tons of respect for you.. This is the 4th or 5th time I've heard this and it's driving me nuts. I have to wonder how and when our standards got lowered to choices between a sub-standard deal or no deal at all. I think Jazz fans should expect more from their team - I know I do.

10 years ago The Jazz traded for a vet center who they then bought out and got a late first round pick. Only that trade was for a malcontent scrub with zero upside - Carlos Arroyo. Jazz just traded a number 3 pick with real upside for the same assets - insane.

The only thing the pick number (#3) indicates is that we drafted wrong. We actively chose to deal a #3 pick as opposed to a #27 pick because it was becoming apparent that they couldn't co-exist, especially with both of them needing time to develop.

What are you talking about "expect more from our team"? The value of a player is maybe only 5% in the control of Lindsey. The rest is all about that player's performance (and Kanter's is ok, but not spectacular) and the needs/assets of other front offices around the league.

We could have gone ahead and offered Gobert and gotten quite a bit more in terms of assets, but then you'd be on here bitching about how unhappy you are that we lost Gobert.

See the issue?

 

[franklin]

Man stop being such a negative ***. It's not far fetched that a quality free agent would like to come to Utah. We have a solid plan for the future, a good coach, and a now tighter roster in terms of working together to become a very competitive team. I believe that DL will be active during this off season. What were you expecting him to say anyway? 'Yes guys I screwed up, now what do I do'

You're a salesman's dream.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

Kanter was another casualty of the Ty/KOC era. He was soured early, having to play behind 3 bigs his 2 years. He knew it too, just look at his face on draft night, he doesn't look stoked to me. All the bigs in that draft knew Utah was the worst team to go to due to our roster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba3sdwnB0XE

It wouldn't surprise me if Kanter finally breaks out on the Thunder, and I hope he does. Not sure if he would in Utah, I think it was ****ed from the beginning.

Hopefully Trey doesn't fall victim and we can turn the page.

 

[franklin]

I swear, none of you watch euro-ball.

You got us Dal. No Euroballs watching in this fam.

 

[framer]

My thought is that, thank God, we have a better player that made Enes expendable. Dude worked hard as a rookie, then got lazy. He views himself as a #3 pick forever. That crap went away the day he reported for camp. Fact is that he is a poor man's Al Jefferson. He is only THAT because Al Jefferson TAUGHT him to be a poor man's Al Jefferson. That period of time is what Kanter was griping about. His basic issue is that he wasn't handed a starting spot. That is the type of dude I don't want on my team. That rarely ever gets fixed. I hope to Hell someone breaks the bank for him next year, that is certainly less money that they will have against us for players that we want to be on the team.

Now imagine life if we HAD to keep Enes as a starter, imagine placing the hope of the franchise on THAT guy. Finding the best player in a draft at #27 with a pick that you bought changes a LOT of fortunes.

Also kind of stoked that we found a seven footer as a pocket fourth big for 6 to 10 minutes a night. Now we just need a stud combo guard. Fortunately we have the money to buy someone like that.

 

[franklin]

You know a lot about how to quote stats and stuff, and the salary cap and all that, but I really question your player judgment. In my mind, if gvc says don't go get s player, the jazz should get him. You thought Babbitt would be better than Hayward, and now you say you aren't high on exum or Gobert. I get that you don't think exum is great, I mean, what has he shown? But how can you not like Gobert? He is literally the top rim protector in the league right now. He is athletic, and has unmatchable size. Not only does he have those very rare gifts, but unlike kanter, he has a brain.

If you think that DL has bungled this situation, explain what you would have done? Would you have traded kanter earlier? Because then it would appear that you are giving up on an asset too soon. Would you rather have never taken a couple second round picks for a rental of Novak that had a slim chance if working out?

You seem very sure of yourself in this, but don't really supply any other answers than you think Lindsay is a lazy gm.

I'm always skeptical of someone whose join date is 2012 and goes back in history to 2010 to try to dump on a well known as a solid poster. What's your agenda here?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Kanter was another casualty of the Ty/KOC era. He was soured early, having to play behind 3 bigs his 2 years. He knew it too, just look at his face on draft night, he doesn't look stoked to me. All the bigs in that draft knew Utah was the worst team to go to due to our roster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba3sdwnB0XE


It wouldn't surprise me if Kanter finally breaks out on the Thunder, and I hope he does. Not sure if he would in Utah, I think it was ****ed from the beginning.

Hopefully Trey doesn't fall victim and we can turn the page.

Another tired narrative. If you are good enough to play you kick *** when you are out there then the coach plays you more. Gobert wasn't given **** and he decided to go out and eat souls and rip the starting job from kanters hands. Kanter is soft mentally.

 

[candrew]

What are you talking about "expect more from our team"?

Well for starters not have your GM state that he'll only trade a player for "X" and then 48 hours later trade him for less than "X"

 

[Diamond77]

Kanter had two big surgeries in the last two off-seasons and couldn't work on his game....he will improve for sure!

OKC know how to choose the players...they didn't take him by chance!

 

[Deleted member 848]

Another tired narrative. If you are good enough to play you kick *** when you are out there then the coach plays you more. Gobert wasn't given **** and he decided to go out and eat souls and rip the starting job from kanters hands. Kanter is soft mentally.

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[Flc]

Another tired narrative. If you are good enough to play you kick *** when you are out there then the coach plays you more. Gobert wasn't given **** and he decided to go out and eat souls and rip the starting job from kanters hands. Kanter is soft mentally.

Exactly. There's a book by this woman, Carol Dweck, called "Mindset" that was released a couple of years ago. In it, she talks about how there are people with a fixed mindset (I am X good in Y skill and that's as good as I'll ever be) and people with a growth mindset (I am X good in Y skill and I can't wait for the opportunity to get Z good in Y skill.) People with fixed mindsets are constantly making excuses, blaming others, expecting recognition, etc. People with growth mindsets are curious, vision-driven, and work their asses off.

LeBron is a perfect representation of a growth mindset. He puts his team on his back. He reflects on what he could have done better in every loss. He rarely blames others. MJ and Kobe are the same way. So is Gobert.

Kanter, on the other hand, was always blaming something - Ty, his injuries, Dennis, Quin, the Turkish National Team, etc. He thought he deserved more than what he was getting. Incredibly obvious that he has a fixed mindset.

And that, for me, is the primary reason you bet on Gobert instead of him.

 

[turkishdelight]

Adrian Wojnarowski: Enes Kanter and Utah never seriously discussed a rookie extension in October, but Thunder made deal with intentions of signing young center.



i was reading this article and i thought that the first two years Enes Kanter could't get change because reason Big Al and Paul Milsap later Utah Jazz didnt support him later utah didnt give contract to him and im asking you guys 4 years utah management didnt trust him what could he do? nothing because utah management never given trust to him and he never had future for utah jazz , he is free enes anymore he will be super star and you guys will see real enes

 

[Flc]

Adrian Wojnarowski: Enes Kanter and Utah never seriously discussed a rookie extension in October, but Thunder made deal with intentions of signing young center.

i was reading this article and i thought that the first two years Enes Kanter could't get change because reason Big Al and Paul Milsap later Utah Jazz didnt support him later utah didnt give contract to him and im asking you guys 4 years utah management didnt trust him what could he do? nothing because utah management never given trust to him and he never had future for utah jazz , he is free enes anymore he will be super star and you guys will see real enes

Don't let a buffalo gore you on the plains, Max E.

 

[Doublea]

Almost everybody agrees that he had to be traded....but he has been underselled! OKC made a huge deal!

Why the Jazz didn't push to involve in the trade Jeremy Lamb or Perry Jones instead of Perkins?

I heard somewhere that the Jazz got exactly what they wanted, a 1st round pick and an expiring contract.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Not picking on you - I have tons of respect for you.. This is the 4th or 5th time I've heard this and it's driving me nuts. I have to wonder how and when our standards got lowered to choices between a sub-standard deal or no deal at all. I think Jazz fans should expect more from their team - I know I do.

10 years ago The Jazz traded for a vet center who they then bought out and got a late first round pick. Only that trade was for a malcontent scrub with zero upside - Carlos Arroyo. Jazz just traded a number 3 pick with real upside for the same assets - insane.

Old man: the NBA has changed

Big Al was a better player than Kanter is now-- we got him for what equates to a pretty similar deal


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