Kanter traded to OKC

[vegas]

I'd argue with Hayward's living up to his contract this year, the clock is ticking on showing him we are serious about doing something. I'm not saying this trade was it, but it gives DL a chance to offer a big contract to somebody during the offseason.

DL could:
1. Take what he could get now and avoid chemistry issues and allow QS to focus more on Rudy. Then use the cap space to chase and woo the free agent of his choice, or use the space in some other transaction.
2. Retain Kanter, hope that he can resign him, that he doesn't get injured again, sign and trade him etc. In this scenario Booker is probably not in the plans, or DL is waiting to parlay a possible good contract for Kanter into another player down the road.

I think focusing on Rudy and taking a chance on a free agent is a pretty sound path to follow to expedite the progression of the rebuild.
The success of this trade depends on what Rudy does as a permanent starter and what DL does with the cap space this offseason. I guess there is always the longshot of one of the two players we got back being worth something.

 

[GVC]

Dude. You clearly said you are not as high on exum or Gobert as some on this board. I'll go find the post.

There's a HUGE difference between "not AS high" and "not high."

 

[Deleted member 848]

Here's an exercise for you: Take a look at the team/assets DL inherited at the end of the 2012 offseason. Then take a look at what he has now. I've done this, posted it, and gotten very few serious bites before. I'll gladly engage if you do a little leg work. Sarcastic one-liners are of no value.

It's easy to reconcile, dude. Dennis just wanted to nuke the team-- take a few years away from being a competitive product, and gear up for long tenure of playoff contention. Most people have considered his drafting as strong to very strong. The trade for Burke was savvy-- it hasn't been a home run, but Shabazz & Dieing aren't starters on any playoff team. Neither is Schröder. Missing on Greek Freak was the only mistake-- but nailin Gobert makes up for it.

Dante was a good pick, and most still agree with this. Hood was considered a steal relative to draft position.

His trades have been emptying, to maximize player development of our real cogs, and be prepared for free agency when we need our final pieces.

In a years time, after this summer's FA period, I think that will be an apt time to compare what Dennis started with vs. What he has now. He's still mid-rebuild-- but it really seems like he's almost done. It's exciting.

Getting rid of Millsap and Al meant that the FO could have 100% insight on a day like today as to whether we should hang onto Enes or not. We chose not to, and it was the right decision; I think it was obvious from the first week of this season that Kanter was the odd man out of this roster.

b_line had no desire to engage in an intelligent, respectful discussion. I made no great claims about my credibility, but that's the only thing he chose to address. I responded appropriately.

If so-- just take the high road, and don't gratify him with any sort of response.



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[fishonjazz]

What's your agenda? I called him out for being inconsistent and displaying had judgement about picks or players. So what's your point in this?

Frank often sees conspiracies, agendas, attacks, group think, etc etc where there isn't any.
Kinda seems paranoid a little

 

[MT Steve]

If a player takes the Q/O he acquires a no trade clause with it.

Although I'm sure Kanter would have approved this trade.

I know this already. I also never suggested he'd take the QO.

 

[candrew]

I know this already. I also never suggested he'd take the QO.

I mis-read your post - sorry, long day.

 

[Carbon13]

Dude. You clearly said you are not as high on exum or Gobert as some on this board. I'll go find the post.

Ooooooh snap!

shots fired

 

[MT Steve]

I mis-read your post - sorry, long day.

No worries.

 

[GVC]

It's easy to reconcile, dude. Dennis just wanted to nuke the team-- take a few years away from being a competitive product, and gear up for long tenure of playoff contention. Most people have considered his drafting as strong to very strong. The trade for Burke was savvy-- it hasn't been a home run, but Shabazz & Dieing aren't starters on any playoff team. Neither is Schröder. Missing on Greek Freak was the only mistake-- but nailin Gobert makes up for it.

Dante was a good pick, and most still agree with this. Hood was considered a steal relative to draft position.

His trades have been emptying, to maximize player development of our real cogs, and be prepared for free agency when we need our final pieces.

In a years time, after this summer's FA period, I think that will be an apt time to compare what Dennis started with vs. What he has now. He's still mid-rebuild-- but it really seems like he's almost done. It's exciting.

Getting rid of Millsap and Al meant that the FO could have 100% insight on a day like today as to whether we should hang onto Enes or not. We chose not to, and it was the right decision; I think it was obvious from the first week of this season that Kanter was the odd man out of this roster.

Getting rid of Millsap, Al and Kanter is fine. What they received in return for those players is underwhelming at best. Sure, he's been active during the draft, and he did well with the Gobert trade, but that trade and the early returns on Snyder are his only wins at this point. He had a lot to work with when he took over. I like watching quality basketball; this isn't all that exciting to me.

If so-- just take the high road, and don't gratify him with any sort of response.

Why would I want to do that?

 

[Carbon13]

There's a HUGE difference between "not AS high" and "not high."

Lol

 

[Deleted member 848]

...Gobert trade, but that's really his only win at this point. He had a lot to work with when he took over.

And you're entitled to that opinion. I just think that Al would have garnered absolutely nothing to us, without returning a super ****ty contract or something. Letting go of Carroll baffled me back then-- but I assumed it was because they wanted to expand the roles of Alec & Hayward (as they felt both had a higher ceiling than DeMarre), and let Carroll go on to pursue a starting role on a team elsewhere.

Millsap for Bledsoe rumors were running around back then. We could have gotten something for Sap-- that's probably the only mistake I will concede. But again, it's
Impossible to know without knowing the actual offers that were on the table.

Why would I want to do that?

Cuz it's the classy thing to do


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[b_line]

Here's an exercise for you: Take a look at the team/assets DL inherited at the end of the 2012 offseason. Then take a look at what he has now. I've done this, posted it, and gotten very few serious bites before. I'll gladly engage if you do a little leg work. Sarcastic one-liners are of no value.


b_line had no desire to engage in an intelligent, respectful discussion. I made no great claims about my credibility, but that's the only thing he chose to address. I responded appropriately.

Yeah. Says the guy who has the same reaction anyone ever starts a conversation with him. If you quit acting like a dick and telling everyone to go eff themselves you might be a lot happier.

Sorry I didn't realize that you being not as high on exum and Gobert didn't mean you don't like them? Pretty ambiguous argument. If you like them, why say you are not as high on them? Why not just say you like them? Or that they will be ok players.


My main argument here is that I think the front office of the Jazz is doing a good job, and you don't. No need to be a dick about it.

 

[Deleted member 848]

And the Gobert trade honestly can't be understated. That's the sort of move that gets GMs hired. That trade probably sped up our rebuild by 1-2 years single handedly


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[fishonjazz]

Getting rid of Millsap, Al and Kanter is fine. What they received in return for those players is underwhelming at best.

Maybe he knew that what we could have got for those guys would have just been more middle of the pack type guys that would just keep us on the treadmill and instead he wanted for us to suck for a few years hoping to land a superstar with a very high lottery pick.

In other words, maybe he got very little for sap, jeffy, and enes on purpose thinking that it might be better to suck bad for a few years instead of pick up some decent dudes and remain in the 8th seed year after year

 

[Carbon13]

And the Gobert trade honestly can't be understated. That's the sort of move that gets GMs hired. That trade probably sped up our rebuild by 1-2 years single handedly


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I would counter by saying even more than 1-2 years. Gobert added another dimension that only 5 or so teams have in the whole league... and he might be better at it than them!

 

[Siro]

Yeah. Says the guy who has the same reaction anyone ever starts a conversation with him. If you quit acting like a dick and telling everyone to go eff themselves you might be a lot happier.

Sorry I didn't realize that you being not as high on exum and Gobert didn't mean you don't like them? Pretty ambiguous argument. If you like them, why say you are not as high on them? Why not just say you like them? Or that they will be ok players.


My main argument here is that I think the front office of the Jazz is doing a good job, and you don't. No need to be a dick about it.

I don't see why anyone would be that high on Exum.

 

[franklin]

And the Gobert trade honestly can't be understated. That's the sort of move that gets GMs hired. That trade probably sped up our rebuild by 1-2 years single handedly


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Missing on Ante but killing it with Gobert makes him a Bronzie? It's a roll of the dice and you are way overstating the value of DL in drafting Gobert.

His judgement is highly questionable at this point. Don't understand why so many are getting up in arms that some don't like this trade.

 

[GVC]

Yeah. Says the guy who has the same reaction anyone ever starts a conversation with him. If you quit acting like a dick and telling everyone to go eff themselves you might be a lot happier.

I'm happy to do so with with posters who are more interested in discussing the Jazz than in attacking my credibility.

Sorry I didn't realize that you being not as high on exum and Gobert didn't mean you don't like them? Pretty ambiguous argument. If you like them, why say you are not as high on them? Why not just say you like them? Or that they will be ok players.

Because my relative evaluation of those two players is what's most important in my overall evaluation of DL as a GM.

My main argument here is that I think the front office of the Jazz is doing a good job, and you don't. No need to be a dick about it.

The bulk of your post was a personal attack. I don't see much of an argument in support of DL. Did I just miss it? What exactly do you like about this trade and DL as GM? Which of my opinions do you disagree with? Why?

 

[GVC]

Maybe he knew that what we could have got for those guys would have just been more middle of the pack type guys that would just keep us on the treadmill and instead he wanted for is to suck for a few years going to land a superstar with a very high lottery pick.

In other words, maybe he got very little for sap, jeffy, and enes on purpose thinking that it might be better to suck bad for a few years instead of pick up some decent dudes and remain in the 8th seed year after year

Maybe he could have kicked the can down the road like he did with this trade, and acquired some future picks. Of course, maybe that wasn't available. I don't know. What I do know is that he got very little for a now two-time all-star, a fringe all-star, and a decent young controllable (RFA) player (and Carroll).

 

[Deleted member 848]

Missing on Ante but killing it with Gobert makes him a Bronzie? It's a roll of the dice and you are way overstating the value of DL in drafting Gobert.

1) Gobert > GF
2) it's a high-stakes roll when you're asking your small-market owner to shell out 2 million dollars for a ****ing 27th pick. Drop the Contrarian-BS and give credit where it's due. It was balls-to-the-wall, and he ****ing nailed it like the stud he is.

His judgement is highly questionable at this point. Don't understand why so many are getting up in arms that some don't like this trade.

Agree to disagree



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