Kendall Marshall - Our next PG Hope
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Hantlers
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Just to clarify my thoughts on Marshall, I do think that he is a good PG and that he definitely does have a niche in the NBA...I'm just not sure as to where he fits into our future plans as a team. As of right now I just don't think he would be a good fit for us and the players we have.
Weezur
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Out of our 4 youngs, 2-3 of them cut real well. Both bigs run the floor. All 4 of the youngs sprint the floor on fastbreaks. Favors is a great finisher.
I don't see why Marshall, a great passer, doesn't fit with these 4 youngsters.
Marshall's UNC team also seems to run post ups quite a bit, so he'd be very familiar with how we post up our bigs and with how much we do it.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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An elite passing pg is a fit for any team.
Nothing wrong with that thought process, but you must also consider that UNC has good to great perimeter shooters in Barnes, Bullock, and Hairston. That helps make space for the post guys.
Weezur
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That's true, but by the time this new PG+4 youngster thing comes into fruition (2-3 years), I'm guessing we'll have that many respectable shooters on the perimeter. Especially if we draft Miller along with Marshall. Remember when Hayward was the best 3 point shooter in the NBA post February last year? Burks has shown a nice touch as well.
Hantlers
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Another thing that helps Marshall greatly is the spacing on the court that they employ. Utah doesn't do a great job of that which would hurt him. One other thing is he is slightly able to get into the lane and dish out some easy passes to Henson, Barnes, etc etc...I don't see that ability carrying over to the NBA. I mean, who is he gonna take off the dribble in the NBA? That's a large concern.
That's all I've been saying about Marshall ... must have great perimeter shooting .. or his poor shooting and lack of athleticism will prove a greater detriment than his passing skills are worth.
Shooters we can get easily via trades (Morrow, Wright, Cook, Kapono, Korver)...
..., but elite passing PG we can't. Can you name one we can get via trade right now without gutting our roster?
Hantlers
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Tony Parker - not an elite passer
Russell Westbrook - not an elite passer
Derrick Rose - not an elite passer
Jrue Holiday - not an elite passer
Jameer Nelson - not an elite passer
Jeff Teague - not an elite passer
Darren Collison - not an elite passer
Mario Chalmers - not an elite passer
Ty Lawson - not an elite passer
Chris Paul - elite passer
Steve Blake/Derek Fisher - not elite passers
Rajon Rondo - elite passer
These are the PG's for the top teams in the NBA right now. Having an elite passer is overrated, especially if they can't shoot.
Bolded Players - not a bad company to be in. Also how about these guys? I'd consider them elite passers as well:
Derron Williams?
Rubio?
Irving?
Nash?
Kidd?
You seems to have missed quite a few.
OH .. and elite passers are so hard to come by. Why wouldn't you grab it while you can?
Hantlers
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None of the players you listed play on the top teams in the NBA like I mentioned...except for Kidd. I forgot about him, my apologies. And yes, those are good PG's, but elite passers do not necessarily mean winning teams...just look at it, out of all the top teams, there are only 3 "elite" passers. And all of them also have the ability to score, something Marshall doesn't have. The times are changing, you can't have a guy who's good at just one thing be your PG, he has to be multi-faceted. Marshall isn't.
No they're not on the "top teams" - only due to circumstances beyond their control (i.e., Nash, DWill, Rubio (rebuilding), Irving (rebuilding), etc, etc).
As analysed in earlier posts, Kidd didn't come into NBA with a big scoring/shooting reputation. Neither is Rubio. Your view that players don't improve is sickening to me. Also you have players like OJ Mayor who came into the NBA as a known scorer, but doesn't have the height or physicality to eventuate into a great player - that's also a risk with a player like Rivers.
Again - if the only problem you don't like Marshall in Utah cos we don't have shooter - there are plenty of shooters we can get via trades. Elite passers you just simply cannot get via trades.
3 problems;
1) Marshall can't shoot a lick. Might he learn? Maybe.
2) Marshall isn't athletic/explosive enough to have any blow-by. Might he learn? No.
3) We don't have the shooters to spread the floor so Marshall can operate. Can we fit it? Sure.
All I have said, and said, and said .. is Marshall isn't the answer to our problems. In fact, he brings his own set of issues .. in the right situation, he can be great .. but all of this is why we go BPA ..
1) Marshall can't shoot a lick. Might he learn? Maybe.
2) Marshall isn't athletic/explosive enough to have any blow-by. Might he learn? No.
3) We don't have the shooters to spread the floor so Marshall can operate. Can we fit it? Sure.
All I have said, and said, and said .. is Marshall isn't the answer to our problems. In fact, he brings his own set of issues .. in the right situation, he can be great .. but all of this is why we go BPA ..
Hantlers
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LOL. I have never said that players don't improve, in fact I pointed out earlier that one of the reasons I like Rivers is that he has shown his ability to improve as a player. Meanwhile Marshall's shooting percentages have done nothing but go down even though he's not being guarded. I don't get why you don't understand this, we DO NOT NEED an elite passer to win in the NBA today. Almost every single team has proven that. This isn't back in the day of John Stockton anymore, we need to stop living in that era and realize how the NBA is changing.
And you're really going to bring up a player like OJ Mayo not having the height or physicality to improve into a great player when Marshall has the same exact issues except with his shot, speed, athleticism and ability to play defense? Of course there's a risk with Rivers, there's a risk with every damn player out there.
Hantlers
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I don't know where you guys are getting crazy ideas like that. You can't win unless if you have a PG that can only pass and he MUST know how to run the pick n' roll well. I mean, it worked so well for us earlier. Look at how many championships we have.
BENTLEY
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Pardon my chiming in on the debate, chaps, -- it's been mahvelous fun and all parties have given good fight. It's been the most delightful bother. But I reaally must pronounce Hantlers the victor. I've been surprised to learn that I must've been one of those stuck in the 90's. I reaally do enjoy a PG who knows how to pass the ball. It is a fine art - if a lost one, and I so hate to part with beauty. Nevertheless, I'm now convinced it no longer translates into the longed for Ws.
That's not to say HotttNickkk hasn't been masterful in his rebuttals. It's been like Connors v Mcenroe @ Wimbledon. Reaally, it has. Nevertheless, I once again must say Hantlers has "handled" the argument like a champion. Game set match.
That's not to say HotttNickkk hasn't been masterful in his rebuttals. It's been like Connors v Mcenroe @ Wimbledon. Reaally, it has. Nevertheless, I once again must say Hantlers has "handled" the argument like a champion. Game set match.